[pp.int.general] Tyrant banks, walk the plank!

[Justus Römeth]

Yeah, but I think the fact that we have a system that has such intertwined
banks and basically socializes their risks means that capitalism is not
working for them anymore and I think leaving the system like that is
basically corruption.

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 3:25 AM, Kenneth Peiruza <kenneth at pirata.cat> wrote:

>
> No, I'm not against German banks, even lesser with German people and not
> at all with PP-DE.
>
> It was just an appointment to make it clear why the German government puts
> extra pressure in cutbacks:
>
> Spanish government has put around 300.000 M€ into the Spanish banks that
> owe debt to German banks. that is almost a 20% of the budget every year.
> This is to save Spanish banks from cracking down, sure, but if they crack,
> the ones that would crack just afterwards would be the German lenders. That
> is what I meant with my email, that Merkel requires cutbacks in southern
> Europe to save the German banks.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Kenneth
>
> Al 17/05/12 02:52, En/na Justus Römeth ha escrit:
>
> So you think this money goes into the German banks because of benevolence?
> I think it is just another form of corruption in a way. Well hidden, but
> there is no real reason to do it other than politician saying that it is
> 'without alternative' (Oh how I hate those words!)
>
> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:15 AM, Kenneth Peiruza <kenneth at pirata.cat>wrote:
>
>>  That is a little bit simplistic and pre-judgement...
>>
>> Corruption exists, and is shameful and harmful, but corruption doesn't
>> evaporate a 10% of Spanish government's budget, banks do it.
>>
>> BTW, most Spanish, Italian and Greek debt, which is the main "reason" for
>> cutbacks in healthcare, education and every other social expenditure.
>>
>> Do you know who owns most of that debt? private german banks.
>>
>> That is why Mrs. Merkel is so stressed with the possibility of Greek
>> government stopping any debt payments.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Kenneth
>>
>> Al 16/05/12 18:29, En/na Justus Römeth ha escrit:
>>
>> Well, we are talking<http://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2012-05/europa-jugend-arbeitslosigkeit/seite-1>about it in Germany, because of immigration and our universal care system
>> it will hit us sooner rather than later. I don't think that austerity is
>> the biggest problem, rather it is corrupt and incapable politicians that
>> can not be voted out of office (like in Spain, Italy or Greece) and budget
>> cuts that hit social welfare and education rather than infrastructure,
>> politicians' wages or saving 'important' industries like banks, car
>> manufacturers and the likes.
>>
>>  The Pirate Party Germany is against the ESM in its current form (well,
>> officially afaik only the PP of NRW is against it, but so far any pirate
>> you talked to thinks that it is a bad idea that is clearly not working).
>> Combine that with the unconditional basic income and the freedom of
>> education (as in educational material and free schools and universities)
>> that we have as official aims and I think we have found a way to solve this
>> crisis over here.
>>
>> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Richard Stallman <rms at gnu.org> wrote:
>>
>>> The biggest political issue in much of Europe today is the austerity
>>> death spiral, aka shock capitalism.
>>>
>>> That problem is not occurring in Germany, so the Pirate Party can get
>>> votes there without talking about that issue.  However, a party in
>>> Spain, Italy, or Greece which doesn't give that issue an important
>>> place is not addressing the people's concerns.  The coming Greek
>>> election will be, in effect, a referendum on this.
>>>
>>> I therefore propose that the Pirate Movement take a stand: Tyrant
>>> banks, walk the plank!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dr Richard Stallman
>>> President, Free Software Foundation
>>> 51 Franklin St
>>> Boston MA 02110
>>> USA
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