[pp.int.general] Pirate Party of Serbia is Finally Officially Registered

Fri Nov 30 08:49:10 CET 2012

Much agreed with your most recent mail Aleksandar.

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 2:02 AM, Aleksandar Blagojevic <
piratska.partija.srbije at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Godwin now: Nazis would never been defeated if human rights fighters
> were throwing flowers on them.
>
> Flamewars like this (same refers to our local ones beginning this year)
> damage our organizations, public perception and this people's mailboxes.
> I beg you (all the people of ngo you belong) to stop this ridicule,
> proudly promote your newly registered ngo with your __real__ name and
> style, file a lawsuit against me if you find it necessary and stop all this
> weird bursts of frustrations.
>
> Aleksandar, PPRS
>
>
> On 11/29/2012 11:40 PM, Maja Asanovic wrote:
>
> For at least two or maybe more years I worked with people who tried to
> register Pirate party of Serbia and witnessed at least three attempts of
> very optimistic people who wonted to start building something on the basis
> of true democracy - liquid feedback.
>
>  Every time we started working on that Aleksandar interrupted our work
> with mental abuse of other Pirates. And succeeded with his plan.
>
>  Too long I gathered the shattered peaces of people who tried to work
> with him and left because they couldn't stand the abuse any more. If he was
> normal, or at least bearable we would have now an official Pirate party
> with our lows the way they are.
>
>  WE ARE REGISTERED AS AN ASSOCIATION
> http://pretraga.apr.gov.rs/udruzenja/AssociationBusinessData.aspx?beid=6086658&rnd=400E93944B02D2E66798677D257BFB4781613E49as only way it was possible. We did for less then a few mounts something
> Aleksandar and his crew refused to do for four years.
>
>  I must say that even in our country abuse is punishable by low and if he
> or any of his mates continues to threaten anybody as they did until now
> (referring to the statement that he is going to kill somebody, bury her and
> burn her with napalm) they will be sued. As I said it has gone too far.
>
>  Since I was one of the victims of his mental abuse I can say that he
> doesn't respect human rights. And never will.
>
>  End in the end, since I am an activist for six years working closely
> with all minority groups I can say that he only remembers somebody's rights
> when there are journalists around and that kind of personality makes me
> sick.
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:13 PM, Zoran Z <weborad at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> What Marko is saying is misleading and untrue.
>>
>> At this moment there are two pirate groups in Serbia and both call
>> themselves Pirate Party, but there is no registered Pirate Party in
>> Serbia and that is a fact
>>  (sr.wikipedia.org/sr-el/Политичке_странке_у_Србији<http://sr.wikipedia.org/sr-el/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%BA%D0%B5_%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B5_%D1%83_%D0%A1%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%98%D0%B8>
>> ).
>>
>> Pirate Party of Serbia, which you've all known for years
>> (http://piratskapartija.com), and is already a member and one of the
>> founders of PPI
>> (
>> http://wiki.pp-international.net/wiki/images/a/a6/Statutes_of_the_Pirate_Parties_International.pdf
>> ),
>> still exists and is quite active on a national and regional level. It
>> was established in 2008 by Aleksandar Blagojevic, who was also a board
>> member of PPI in 2010/2011
>> (
>> http://wiki.pp-international.net/wiki//index.php?title=PPI_Board/Old&oldid=5982
>> ),
>> but who is now just a member of the Pirate Party of Serbia and the fact
>> that he is the founder of the PP does not afford him any privilege. So,
>> please stop personalizing the problem.
>>
>> The other group which also call themselves Pirate Party of Serbia
>> (http://piratska.org), where Marko belongs now, has been established in
>> September from the small group of members of the 'original' PP of Serbia
>> after a difference in opinion about supporting the rights of the LGBT
>> groups to organize Pride March in Belgrade. They were strongly against
>> it and they even published an official statement to the public based on
>> the votes of only 10 people (7:3).
>>
>> That voting was organized exclusively for the so called 'core team'
>> (self proclaimed 'elite' group of pirates which was not elected in any
>> democratic way. To be accurate there was no election whatsoever for that
>> 'body') and they were opposed to discussion on the problem of organizing
>> voting among all party members.
>>
>> PP of Serbia (http://piratskapartija.com) could not accept this decision
>> which we consider to be against pirate principles and against the
>> Serbian Constitution which guarantees those rights for all citizens and
>> minorities, including sexual minorities. Because of this we were forced
>> to remove the "core team" from the party structure and support the Pride
>> March.
>>
>> After this the group around piratska.org literally stole the database,
>> website and facebook page from Pirate Party of Serbia, bought a new
>> domain and replicated PP's website on that new domain. They are still
>> sending/spaming emails to all members of the original PP from the stolen
>> database even though no one registered or opted-in on the domain
>> piratska.org. For example they are still spamming my inbox.
>>
>> The legal statute of this new "Pirate Party" is an NGO (which can be at
>> any time registered by only 5 Serbian citizens) called "Pirate
>> Movement". At this moment there are about 16.000 registered NGOs like
>> that and saying that it is a legal party is simply not true. They are
>> registered as an NGO for 'Improvement of civil right and education of
>> citizens'. Funny thing is that they are improving civil rights by
>> promoting the ban of Pride March and hate speech and racism towards the
>> Roma population, of which we have several documented cases.
>>
>> Question is why the Pirate Movement present and call themselves Pirate
>> Party when they already have their name? As I can see, Marko and people
>> from piratska.org are trying to steal the identity of Pirate Party of
>> Serbia, which exists 6 years, while their organization exists only 2
>> months.
>>
>> For more information about us and our activities over the last six years
>> you can visit:
>> http://wiki.pp-international.net/Pirate_Party_of_Serbia
>> https://piratskapartija.piratenpad.de/meeting-minutes
>>
>> My best,
>> Zoran Zivkovic
>> Pirate Party of Serbia
>> http://piratskapartija.com
>> zoran.zivkovic at piratskapartija.com
>> weborad at gmail.com
>>
>> On 11/29/2012 04:24 PM, mattias.bjarnemalm at piratpartiet.se wrote:
>>   > Marko:
>> >
>> > Thank you for the information. I'm looking forward to read your
>> > statutes and minutes when you've found the time to translate them.
>> >
>> > Best regards
>> >
>> > Mab
>> >
>> > On 2012-11-28 12:06, Marko Mitrovic wrote:
>> >> Hello Mattias.
>> >>
>> >> There is only one Pirate Party in Serbia wih legal status, and that
>> >> is already mentioned "Pirate Movement" in form of civil movement.
>> >> Whatever Aleksandar mentioned are vague and overly optimistic plans at
>> >> best. And yes, technically speaking we both "claim" to represent true
>> >> PPRS.
>> >>
>> >> In last email I forgot to mention that for the first time in five
>> >> years of existence, Pirates of Serbia democratically chose leadership,
>> >> or more precise positions within our civil movement, at our
>> >> Constituent Assembly month or so ago.
>> >>
>> >> We dont have English versions of our statue nor minutes from
>> >> Constituent Assembly, but we can translate them and will do so in
>> >> coming day/weeks.
>> >>
>> >> Just to one more time underline that there is only one legal entity
>> >> representing Pirates in Serbia at the moment.
>> >>
>> >> Best regards.
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 5:11 PM, <mattias.bjarnemalm at piratpartiet.se>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I am a bit confused.
>> >>>
>> >>> If I understand it correctly there is currently one Serbian Pirate
>> >>> party that has the legal status of a civil movement, mentioned in
>> >>> the email from Marko, and one Serbian Pirate Party that has the
>> >>> legal status of something else/nothing (?), mentioned from
>> >>> Aleksandar. Is this correct? And both claim to represent the true
>> >>> Serbian pirate party?
>> >>>
>> >>> Well, PPI demands that a member organization have internal
>> >>> democratic structure, so I suppose that a quick way to see who
>> >>> actually is the true Serbian pirate party is by at the next PPI GA
>> >>> ask for the statutes and minutes from the last general assembly of
>> >>> both entities claiming to be the Serbian pirates.
>> >>>
>> >>> Actually, I would be very interested to see English versions of the
>> >>> statutes for these organizations allready at this time if any such
>> >>> exists or can be produced.
>> >>>
>> >>> I would also like to see a list of board members for both
>> >>> organizations and the minutes from the meeting where they were
>> elected.
>> >>>
>> >>> Best regards
>> >>>
>> >>> Mab
>> >>>
>> >
>> >
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