[pp.int.general] Marc Goodman: A vision of crimes in the future

Pat Maechler aka Valio pirate at valio.ch
Sun Oct 28 20:44:42 CET 2012

I just saw that Bruce Schneier wrote a post on that very talk

On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Pat Maechler aka Valio <pirate at valio.ch> wrote:
> Yes, I was aware that the implication of probably walking into a
> self-surveilling society exists, which is why I did not wrote that I
> think that it is a good approach, but just one to consider.
> There are different possible interpretations of the arguments given in
> the presentation:
> 1. that this is mostly fear mongering with no real basis for an
> increase, but in contrast there are indications for...
> 1a. a stable situation OR
> 1b. a situation with decreasing rates
> OR
> 2. that this has some real basis and..
> 2a. that there is no need for intervention whatsoever (probably an
> extreme libertarian view) OR
> 2b. that the current systems does scale well as it is (so there is no
> need for a paradigm shift) OR
> 2c. that there is some need for a paradigm shift
> If one thinks 2c may hold true, it would be necessary to come up with
> a suggestion (which can be different from the suggestion in the video
> of course).
> -pat
> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Daniel Riaño <danielrr2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks. An amazing video indeed. If I understood the speaker right, what
>> he's suggesting at the end of the video it is too vague to call it a
>> proposal proper. Rather it is a knife that cuts both ways: everybody should
>> be engaged in police-like surveillance of the rest of us, for the well being
>> of society at large. Sounds kinda scaring. I am not telling that this may
>> not be a probable outcome of the next big terrorist blows in the coming
>> years. At first sight, it sounds dangerously close to war-time security
>> psychosis.

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