[pp.int.general] Marc Goodman: A vision of crimes in the future

Charly Pache charly.pache at gmail.com
Sun Oct 28 21:26:27 CET 2012

Through history, the greatest terrorist sponsors and actors were - and
still are - governments/states.

They are the one who develop most of the dangerous technologies and use
them against their ennemies, which they call 'terrorists' to justify their

This speech reminds me the wikileaks diplomatic cables affair, where
Hillary Clinton asked for UN delegates DNA:

Governments should provide people means to detect and neutralize such
technological threaths. But they don't, for obvious strategical reasons.

On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Pat Maechler aka Valio <pirate at valio.ch>wrote:

> I just saw that Bruce Schneier wrote a post on that very talk
> http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2012/07/fear-mongering.html
> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Pat Maechler aka Valio <pirate at valio.ch>
> wrote:
> > Yes, I was aware that the implication of probably walking into a
> > self-surveilling society exists, which is why I did not wrote that I
> > think that it is a good approach, but just one to consider.
> >
> > There are different possible interpretations of the arguments given in
> > the presentation:
> >
> > 1. that this is mostly fear mongering with no real basis for an
> > increase, but in contrast there are indications for...
> > 1a. a stable situation OR
> > 1b. a situation with decreasing rates
> > OR
> > 2. that this has some real basis and..
> > 2a. that there is no need for intervention whatsoever (probably an
> > extreme libertarian view) OR
> > 2b. that the current systems does scale well as it is (so there is no
> > need for a paradigm shift) OR
> > 2c. that there is some need for a paradigm shift
> >
> > If one thinks 2c may hold true, it would be necessary to come up with
> > a suggestion (which can be different from the suggestion in the video
> > of course).
> >
> > -pat
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Daniel Riaño <danielrr2 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Thanks. An amazing video indeed. If I understood the speaker right, what
> >> he's suggesting at the end of the video it is too vague to call it a
> >> proposal proper. Rather it is a knife that cuts both ways: everybody
> should
> >> be engaged in police-like surveillance of the rest of us, for the well
> being
> >> of society at large. Sounds kinda scaring. I am not telling that this
> may
> >> not be a probable outcome of the next big terrorist blows in the coming
> >> years. At first sight, it sounds dangerously close to war-time security
> >> psychosis.
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