[pp.int.general] what are the minimum true core Pirates principles? -Attempt to get a workable consensus-

[Thomas Bruderer]

Am 24.09.2012 21:30, schrieb David Arcos:
> TL;DR: YMMV from country to country.
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Thomas Bruderer <apophis at apophis.ch
> <mailto:apophis at apophis.ch>> wrote:
>
>     But if you would ask: would you support a Liquid Democracy schema
>     for the governement, the answer would be as clearly: No, not all,
>     this won't help us to find the best solutions for our country.
>
>
> Let's agree with you: DD/LD won't be the best for "your" contry.
>
> However, your country is Switzerland. You already have plenty of
> citizen participation tools!

Thats why I differntiate between direct democracy and liquid feedback...
I absolutly agree that participation is important, but I want to make
clear that there are very different options, and the solutions might be
very different from country to country. Every state has a history which
needs to be taken into account, OUR form of direct democracy might not
work in your country, and your form of transparency might not work in
our country.

We should not have too specific targets, they need to be broad enough so
every party can fill it with their own ideas of how it should work.

We all will agree for more "Participation of citizens"  but we won't
agree on something specific as "Liquid Democracy"!

Be inclusive!

>
> The situation in my country (Spain) is very different. We don't have
> Transparency, nor Participation: the transparency law is a fake, we
> have no "open-government" or accountability on public spending, we
> don't do referendums (they changed the Constitution without asking the
> citizens first). Well, in fact, *calling for a referendum is ilegal*,
> and will get you to prison.
>
> Given our situation, I can assure you that our priorities are
> Transparency and Participation. Without both, our political system is
> too corrupt, too undemocratic.
>
>
> I can understand that a Swiss pirate doesn't have the urgency of
> improvement his Citizen Participation tools, and that for a Swedish
> pirate it's not a priority to improve their Transparency laws. But
> please understand this is not universal, and that most of the contries
> have big gaps in both issues.
>
>
> Let's go further, and pick some more lower-level issues: patented
> medicines, or patented food. As a Spanish, I never had (day-to-day)
> problems with those issues. However, I can see that it's a threat for
> millions of people in the world, and for them it's a "pirate core
> issue" much more important than repelling a three-strike law.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
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