[pp.int.general] what are the minimum true core Pirates principles? -Attempt to get a workable consensus-

[Anouk Neeteson]

That is what I try to avoid, a political program should stay out of the
inner core, and that is also why I do it 'layered' so anyone can add to the
core without conflicting with other PP's. I try to think 3D instead of
linear as most people do which is also the underlying problem of society.
So showing a 'liquid' core is unconventional but you guys gave me this
inspiration to create a bridge between differences.

On 24 September 2012 21:30, David Arcos <david.arcos at gmail.com> wrote:

> TL;DR: YMMV from country to country.
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Thomas Bruderer <apophis at apophis.ch>
>  wrote:
>
> But if you would ask: would you support a Liquid Democracy schema for the
>> governement, the answer would be as clearly: No, not all, this won't help
>> us to find the best solutions for our country.
>
>
> Let's agree with you: DD/LD won't be the best for "your" contry.
>
> However, your country is Switzerland. You already have plenty of citizen
> participation tools!
>
> The situation in my country (Spain) is very different. We don't have
> Transparency, nor Participation: the transparency law is a fake, we have no
> "open-government" or accountability on public spending, we don't do
> referendums (they changed the Constitution without asking the citizens
> first). Well, in fact, *calling for a referendum is ilegal*, and will get
> you to prison.
>
> Given our situation, I can assure you that our priorities are Transparency
> and Participation. Without both, our political system is too corrupt, too
> undemocratic.
>
>
> I can understand that a Swiss pirate doesn't have the urgency of
> improvement his Citizen Participation tools, and that for a Swedish pirate
> it's not a priority to improve their Transparency laws. But please
> understand this is not universal, and that most of the contries have big
> gaps in both issues.
>
>
> Let's go further, and pick some more lower-level issues: patented
> medicines, or patented food. As a Spanish, I never had (day-to-day)
> problems with those issues. However, I can see that it's a threat for
> millions of people in the world, and for them it's a "pirate core issue"
> much more important than repelling a three-strike law.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
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