[pp.int.general] Pirate parties and religion (dogmatism)

[Thrasos Nerantzis]

Aleksander,

You are being unnecessarily cruel for a brother party during their election campaign.
If you want to indeed produce constructive criticism, you can always write a report/article after the elections and baring the whole picture.
What you are doing now is demoralizing in a time where all of us should be empowering our pirate comrades in Croatia. 

Go Croatian Pirates, May the Force be with you.

With Fraternal Pirate Balkan Regards

Thrasos
--Cyprus

On Apr 8, 2013, at 5:02 PM, Aleksandar Blagojevic <piratska.partija.srbije at gmail.com> wrote:

> my comments are inserted below this text.
> 
> On 04/06/2013 11:06 AM, Dario wrote:
>> Hello All, 
>> 
>> just to bring the pirate public the stand of Croatian Pirate Party.
>> 
>> As some of you know we are in the middle of campaign for EU election.
>> 
>> In between other pirate stuff ,we do promote seculars stands in our program.
>> 
>> The post on Facebook invited people to paint a pirate party Croatia symbol
>> on the egg. The best egg, with the best painting was send to Croatian
>> government.
>> 
>> This could be more seen as a protest and sarcasm then anything else.
> This is simply ridiculous.
> The cherry on top of this ridiculousness is the egg-present for your government. I think this is the exact scale of your "compromise" you as a party are willing to make in order to "win" this elections. 
> 
> This is about integrity and capacity - non of which you have in this campaign. It is sad that you are light years away from resonating with Croatia's intellectual progressives also, in fact that respectable community thinks that you are just a joke. Pirate Party of Croatia is yet another political party, no radical ideas, no pirate ideals at practice, not opposing the government, nothing new. Just hollow pirate remixing and waving with the mere difference in (pirate) name to "oppose" current political parties. 
> 
> That makes you a perfect tool-political party, also acceptable by/for current establishment.  PPHR will be used to do the job already set by current Croatian parties at power.
> 
> 
>> Mr. Aleksander, should quote as a whole, so that the reader gets the complete
>> picture. Taking something out of the context is not a good move when you 
>> are accusing someone.
>> 
>> Furthermore, the ban on our FB page was issued to him by one of our administrators, 
>> following  the strict rules ,any question in that regard, should be addressed to our
>> Court of Honor and not the the general public of PPI.
>> 
>> Mr. Aleksander is welcome to do so, by sending a formal complaint.
> This level of insanity in the middle of an important election campaign is something I have never seen before.
> - "Strict rules"?? "issued by one of your administrators" ??
> - "to address to Court of Honor" in order to ask/inform myself about the block on obscure facebook software surveillance machinery?
> Because I wrote "Pirate Christian Party", commenting your public Easter egg religious government sucking-up??
> 
> If Croatian government happen to have any brain cells in their heads, they should override the Croatian constitution and all your democratic processes you might have and include you and your "strict comrades" in the parliament right now. 
> 
> /Aleksandar Blagojević
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> With kind regards,
>> Dario Vidovic
>> 
>> Pirate party Croatia, 
>> International coordination. 
>> 
>> On Apr 5, 2013, at 9:03 PM, Aleksandar Blagojevic wrote:
>> 
>>> On 04/04/2013 06:19 PM, Nicolás Reynolds wrote:
>>>> Aleksandar Blagojevic <piratska.partija.srbije at gmail.com> writes:
>>>> 
>>>>> Am I the only one who is sick of dogmatism election propaganda within
>>>>> some Pirate parties?
>>>>> Better way to handle any religious date/event/"value" is to just ignore
>>>>> it. FFS <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ffs>, we live in
>>>>> 21st century and our lives are irreversibly dependent on "heretic"
>>>>> knowledge such is electric current, quantum physics, Internet, satellites...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Using religion (and religious values) to achieve any political goal is
>>>>> dangerous, irresponsible and, as we all know, can be very destructive.
>>>>> Imagine the shame when future generations look back and see what some
>>>>> "pirates" did in order to compensate their weak mental capacity and
>>>>> frustrations.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not good.
>>>> any example?  at pp.ar we've discussed promoting apostasy but we haven't
>>>> reach consensus for that, though we agreed on promoting laicism.
>>> This big thread is Pirate Party Croatia stance on this year's catholic Easter: https://www.facebook.com/pirati.hr/posts/495491173831886
>>> I see their stance trough this act: I was banned because of commenting the Easter post with "Christian Pirate Party" written with serbo-croatian slang, (that comment was             immediately removed). Other people commented also, but pphr repetitively lacks with sane response. 
>>> 
>>> In my opinion, good thing to do is of course oppose any form of dogmatism and/or, in this case, to condemn this religious-political manipulation.
>>> 
>>> Another example, not that much in focus like PPHR and their local/EU election run.
>>> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=519220741452945&set=a.256265901081765.60540.256264037748618&type=1&theater (Kalózpárt's photos · Kalózpárt's Page)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> I prefer to have options, rather than plans.
>>> Aleksandar Blagojevic aka blaeks
>>> Pirate party of Serbia
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>> 
>> 
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> 
> 
> -- 
> I prefer to have options, rather than plans.
> Aleksandar Blagojevic aka blaeks
> Pirate party of Serbia
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