[pp.int.general] Pirate parties and religion (dogmatism)

Mon Apr 8 19:15:16 CEST 2013

Imagine the "EPICness" if PP Croatia take the criticism as a direction
for improvement.
That would be something previously unseen in politics, ever.

Imagine the positive gain with such demonstration of openness. Shitload
of votes. Real political power.

*you sound like an incapable mother over the spoiled child in public.
unable to control the rage of hers not-loved-enough child. -- "Let him
be. Leg him grow up, let him grow up and beat other grown up people if
he wants. I love him just because it is my child no matter how wrong it
is, and I will tell him later when it grows up.".
(is it already too late? I think not. it is never too late for good stuff.)

On 04/08/2013 04:29 PM, Thrasos Nerantzis wrote:
> Aleksander,
>
> You are being unnecessarily cruel for a brother party during their
> election campaign.
> If you want to indeed produce constructive criticism, you can always
> write a report/article after the elections and baring the whole picture.
> What you are doing now is demoralizing in a time where all of us
> should be empowering our pirate comrades in Croatia. 
>
> *Go Croatian Pirates, May the Force be with you.*
>
> With Fraternal Pirate Balkan Regards
>
> Thrasos
> --Cyprus
>
> On Apr 8, 2013, at 5:02 PM, Aleksandar Blagojevic
> <piratska.partija.srbije at gmail.com
> <mailto:piratska.partija.srbije at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> my comments are inserted below this text.
>>
>> On 04/06/2013 11:06 AM, Dario wrote:
>>> Hello All, 
>>>
>>> just to bring the pirate public the stand of Croatian Pirate Party.
>>>
>>> As some of you know we are in the middle of campaign for EU election.
>>>
>>> In between other pirate stuff ,we do promote seculars stands in our
>>> program.
>>>
>>> The post on Facebook invited people to paint a pirate party Croatia
>>> symbol
>>> on the egg. The best egg, with the best painting was send to Croatian
>>> government.
>>>
>>> This could be more seen as a protest and sarcasmthen anything else.
>> This is simply ridiculous.
>> The cherry on top of this ridiculousness is the egg-present for your
>> government. I think this is the exact scale of your "compromise" you
>> as a party are willing to make in order to "win" this elections.
>>
>> This is about integrity and capacity - non of which you have in this
>> campaign. It is sad that you are light years away from resonating
>> with Croatia's intellectual progressives also, in fact that
>> respectable community thinks that you are just a joke. Pirate Party
>> of Croatia is yet another political party, no radical ideas, no
>> pirate ideals at practice, not opposing the government, nothing new.
>> Just hollow pirate remixing and waving with the mere difference in
>> (pirate) name to "oppose" current political parties.
>>
>> That makes you a perfect tool-political party, also acceptable by/for
>> current establishment.  PPHR will be used to do the job already set
>> by current Croatian parties at power.
>>
>>
>>> Mr. Aleksander, should quote as a whole, so that the reader gets the
>>> complete
>>> picture. Taking something out of the context is not a good move when
>>> you 
>>> are accusing someone.
>>>
>>> Furthermore, the ban on our FB page was issued to him by one of our
>>> administrators, 
>>> following  the strict rules ,any questionin that regard, should be
>>> addressed to our
>>> Court of Honor and not the the general public of PPI.
>>>
>>> Mr. Aleksander is welcome to do so, by sending a formal complaint.
>> This level of insanity in the middle of an important election
>> campaign is something I have never seen before.
>> - "Strict rules"?? "issued by one of your administrators" ??
>> - "to address to Court of Honor" in order to ask/inform myself about
>> the block on obscure facebook software surveillance machinery?
>> Because I wrote "Pirate Christian Party", commenting your public
>> Easter egg religious government sucking-up??
>>
>> If Croatian government happen to have any brain cells in their heads,
>> they should override the Croatian constitution and all your
>> democratic processes you might have and include you and your "strict
>> comrades" in the parliament right now.
>>
>> /Aleksandar Blagojević
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> With kind regards,
>>> Dario Vidovic
>>>
>>> Pirate party Croatia, 
>>> International coordination. 
>>>
>>> On Apr 5, 2013, at 9:03 PM, Aleksandar Blagojevic wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 04/04/2013 06:19 PM, Nicolás Reynolds wrote:
>>>>> Aleksandar Blagojevic <piratska.partija.srbije at gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Am I the only one who is sick of dogmatism election propaganda within
>>>>>> some Pirate parties?
>>>>>> Better way to handle any religious date/event/"value" is to just ignore
>>>>>> it. FFS <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ffs>, we live in
>>>>>> 21st century and our lives are irreversibly dependent on "heretic"
>>>>>> knowledge such is electric current, quantum physics, Internet, satellites...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Using religion (and religious values) to achieve any political goal is
>>>>>> dangerous, irresponsible and, as we all know, can be very destructive.
>>>>>> Imagine the shame when future generations look back and see what some
>>>>>> "pirates" did in order to compensate their weak mental capacity and
>>>>>> frustrations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not good.
>>>>> any example?  at pp.ar <http://pp.ar/> we've discussed promoting apostasy but we haven't
>>>>> reach consensus for that, though we agreed on promoting laicism.
>>>> This big thread is Pirate Party Croatia stance on this year's
>>>> catholic Easter:
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/pirati.hr/posts/495491173831886
>>>> I see their stance trough this act: I was banned because of
>>>> commenting the Easter post with "Christian Pirate Party" written
>>>> with serbo-croatian slang, (that comment was immediately removed).
>>>> Other people commented also, but pphr repetitively lacks with sane
>>>> response.
>>>>
>>>> In my opinion, good thing to do is of course oppose any form of
>>>> dogmatism and/or, in this case, to condemn this religious-political
>>>> manipulation.
>>>>
>>>> Another example, not that much in focus like PPHR and their
>>>> local/EU election run.
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=519220741452945&set=a.256265901081765.60540.256264037748618&type=1&theater
>>>> (Kalózpárt's photos · Kalózpárt's Page)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> I prefer to have options, rather than plans.
>>>> Aleksandar Blagojevic aka blaeks <http://blaeks.wordpress.com/>
>>>> Pirate party of Serbia
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Party_of_Serbia>
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>>>
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>>
>> -- 
>> I prefer to have options, rather than plans.
>> Aleksandar Blagojevic aka blaeks <http://blaeks.wordpress.com/>
>> Pirate party of Serbia
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Party_of_Serbia>
>> ____________________________________________________
>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
>> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>> <mailto:pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
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>

-- 
I prefer to have options, rather than plans.
Aleksandar Blagojevic aka blaeks <http://blaeks.wordpress.com/>
Pirate party of Serbia
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Party_of_Serbia>
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