[pp.int.general] [pp-leaders.discussion] Pirate Party of Canada and PPI

[Tom Behets]

Hi,

I personally think PPI is not needed for the moment. 
Pirate party would not vanish when PPI failed. Pirate parties are working together, even without PPI.

I just joined the pirate party since september, and I only heard negative about this entity.
I tried to look for positive aspects, and the only thing I could find is piratetimes. Something that I am even not sure if this is a real PPI achievement or not.

Anyhow, for me, the PPI should just be an entity that makes logistical stuff easier, no more then that.
PPI's goal shouldn't be to get better results in country X, that's what the local PP should do.
And if a local PP wouldn't make it without, they are not ready.

Can someone explain me:
- what the goals are of PPI
- what the achievements of PPI are

And lastly, can someone explain me how it comes that the Catalanian party is a member of PPI, and not just a crew of Spain?
In the Belgian pirate party, we can start are own squad or crew without any geological constraints. Will i be treated the same as the Catalonians?
I heard a lot of complaints in my short PP live, too much to be honest.
And still, this important fact seems to get ignored.

My personal opinion about PPI is to just ignore it. Keep on working together between national parties, and let PPI fade away.
Let it become obsolete.

If they are important, let them prove they are.
Anyhow, only have 5'ish countries vote for the whole PP movement is not helping their negative image...

A fresh, but already frustrated pirate.
Tom Behets



On 20 Apr 2013, at 23:27, Daniel Riaño <danielrr2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think PPI is a good idea.
> It doesn't need to be a party above all the national parties. Rather, it *shouldn't* be a party above national PP parties, at least now and for the coming years.
> It doesn't need to prove it is really international by scheduling meetings in the most exotic places above the Earth. That's fine for the fortunate ones with time and resources enough to roam the four corners of the Planet at their ease (I wish I could be one of them, I am ready to admit), but this may not be the best idea from a practical point of view.
> It doesn't need to be kick-started by putting in question basic international law well stabilised definitions like what a country is, but, well, who am I to suggest that.
> 
> Our planet is finally going truly global and we pirates are the voice (one of them , admitted) of the generations that is finally global. There's going to be a surge of "international" parties of every persuasion in the coming years and we need to build our own voice and place in the world by being able to build one of the first international parties (slowly, step by step) to promote help and solidarity among pirates anywhere. There's going to be a lot of quests for help, I'm afraid, from pirates im most countries and we need to build a web of support and project to the world such commitment. We need to prove we are here to stay as a new voice all over the world.
> 
> So why a party and not just an international pirate NGO? Well, I think we need to act politically. For that we need a party (even if in the foreseeable future the PPI is going to look and act more like a NGO than a party.)
> 
> Just a few toughts, with my best wishes for the pirates in Kazan, damn how much I'd like to be there.
> 
> Daniel
> 
> 2013/4/20 Travis McCrea <travis.mccrea at pirateparty.ca>
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> It's no surprise to many who know me that I haven't been happy with PPI
> for a while. It's not as much anyone in particular as it is with the
> idea of PPI. Who are we to dictate who is and isn't a Pirate Party? What
> is and isn't a country? Or even solve internal squabbles within someone
> else' party?
> 
> What I see PPI providing is: A platform for pirate parties around the
> world to discuss and learn from each other to help build the pirate brand.
> 
> This can be done without PPI, we are all familiar enough with the
> internet and many of us are even on the same IRC network (which is not
> managed by PPI). When we need something internationally we can come
> together to form it. We don't need some body with elected officials and
> things. When we have conferences we should be holding panels and do
> networking... and we don't even need PPI to hold a conference. PPUK held
> a conference last year, and it was everything I would want from one. A
> bit small (and was, of course, targeted at UK members), but if that had
> been the PPI official meeting place -- it would have been far more
> productive for everyone.
> 
> I gladly welcome peoples ideas as to why PPI is needed (things that
> can't be addressed by us simply coming together internationally using
> the internet). Though I have a strong feeling that no one will be able
> to do that.
> 
> This is not our resignation, just a statement of abstention on all PPI
> related votes, conferences, meetings, discussions, etc.
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