[pp.int.general] Official Results from Kazan?

Zbigniew Łukasiak zzbbyy at gmail.com
Tue Apr 23 21:59:15 CEST 2013

On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 8:16 PM, Andrew Norton <ktetch at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Thomas, perhaps if you put your animosity to one side (please, for once?
> I know you hate me, but let's try being CONSTRUCTIVE), and please
> re-read my original email, you might understand what I was asking for.
> If not, I'll try and make myself clearer.
> I was NOT asking for detailed minutes.
> What I was asking for was a brief summery of the various votes.
> "statues were voted in as a block" The block was SAPx, n, y, and z. For
> was "...", Against "..." and "..." abstained
> the same with the other elections.
> This, if nothing else, clarifies the positions of the parties, and helps
> identify any mis-recorded votes, or faithless electors. As such, the
> sooner this went out, the better, so that any issues that may arise can
> be addressed as quickly as possible.
> I'd have done it myself, except it's not clear from the video, or the
> minutes sometimes who voted for what. And at least one vote (the court)
> has no results listed at all (in the 'results' it just lists a copy of
> the candidates). The lay auditors have no votes listed, and the
> membership application votes are not clear.
> Hence the questions.
> I'm sorry if this seems like an unreasonable request to you, but it just
> seemed like common sense and basic practice to me.
> Andrew

Andrew - yeah this is horrible.

Actually yes I agree that it is - but I have not seen any good result
of your emails - the other side just gets defensive and nobody has any
motivation to do anything.  Have you ever wondered what are the
effective ways to influence people?  Especially when you are not a
general to give orders or a manager or whoever - but just another guy
in a volunteer organization.

Zbigniew Lukasiak

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