[pp.int.general] Official Results from Kazan?

Tyler Durden jemers2 at gmail.com
Tue Apr 23 23:09:15 CEST 2013

On 04/23/2013 04:58 PM, Andrew Norton wrote:
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> On 4/23/2013 3:59 PM, Zbigniew Łukasiak wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 8:16 PM, Andrew Norton <ktetch at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Thomas, perhaps if you put your animosity to one side (please, for once?
>>> I know you hate me, but let's try being CONSTRUCTIVE), and please
>>> re-read my original email, you might understand what I was asking for.
>>> If not, I'll try and make myself clearer.
>>> I was NOT asking for detailed minutes.
>>> What I was asking for was a brief summery of the various votes.
>>> "statues were voted in as a block" The block was SAPx, n, y, and z. For
>>> was "...", Against "..." and "..." abstained
>>> the same with the other elections.
>>> This, if nothing else, clarifies the positions of the parties, and helps
>>> identify any mis-recorded votes, or faithless electors. As such, the
>>> sooner this went out, the better, so that any issues that may arise can
>>> be addressed as quickly as possible.
>>> I'd have done it myself, except it's not clear from the video, or the
>>> minutes sometimes who voted for what. And at least one vote (the court)
>>> has no results listed at all (in the 'results' it just lists a copy of
>>> the candidates). The lay auditors have no votes listed, and the
>>> membership application votes are not clear.
>>> Hence the questions.
>>> I'm sorry if this seems like an unreasonable request to you, but it just
>>> seemed like common sense and basic practice to me.
>>> Andrew
>> Andrew - yeah this is horrible.
>> Actually yes I agree that it is - but I have not seen any good result
>> of your emails - the other side just gets defensive and nobody has any
>> motivation to do anything.  Have you ever wondered what are the
>> effective ways to influence people?  Especially when you are not a
>> general to give orders or a manager or whoever - but just another guy
>> in a volunteer organization.
> I have to say, I didn't realize it would be such a big/contentious issue
> for some. I thought that an announcement of the results should have been
> done on the day, as part of the wrap-up.
> Meanwhile, I also have a habit of clear, direct speech here. I hope that
> it makes it easier for those that have to translate my words, for them
> to be as unambiguous as possible. Secondly, I have no hidden agendas I
> need to clothe in duplicitous or flowery language. What I say is what I
> mean, an aspect of my personality that has unsettled politicians in the
> past, and an attitude I hope would be a core Pirate Party value.
> Finally, having to request a basic, elementary thing like the results of
> voting days after shocks and, frankly, disgusts me somewhat. It's not
> like I was asking for a list of delegates (which is too secret to share
> with other delegates), or a transcript of the conference. just a record
> of the votes.
> I have to say I didn't expect it to upset or anger people as it clearly
> did Thomas.
> Andrew
> - -- 
> Andrew Norton
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Wow.  Andrew Norton is STILL trolling PPI?!  How much time does this guy 
have on his hands? Seriously.  Totally jealous. My advice?  Run.

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