[pp.int.general] Basic income - how does that fit into the pirate ideology?

[alexis.roussel]

All,

The text does not include amounts 

These amounts were given as exemple for people to understand.

It will be up to the government to fix the appropriate amount.

These amounts seem high but they are roughly aligned to social aid amount.

For you to know, with such amount in most of swiss cities you can barely  survive. At least you can pay for a small appartment and your social security and some food. 

It is an appropriate amount depending on the actual living costs in switzerland.

For comparaison, socialist party is asking for a minimum wage of 4000 chf

Best


Alexis Roussel / President Pirate Party Switzerland 

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From: Francisco George <francisco.george at gmail.com> 
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To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net> 
Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Basic income - how does that fit into the	pirate ideology? 
 
Yes they will vote it, the Swiss Direct Democracy system requires 100.000 signatures to take a citizen initiative to referendum. The basic income would be of 

"The Swiss will vote on the principle of a basic allowance, called "unconditional basic income" (RBI) of 2500 Swiss francs (CHF) per month (2,080 euros) for all, without condition or consideration, as an initiative People who gathered the 100,000 signatures required for this purpose. The project also provides a pension of 1 000 CHF per child 7 000 CHF (5,800 euros) per month for a family with two children."

http://translate.google.es/translate?hl=es&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.france24.com%2Ffr%2F20130526-suisses-rente-revenu-base-inconditionnel-rbi-francs-euros-vote-initiative-populaire-referendum

Personnaly I think the amounts are way too high. But this is how Direct Democracy works in CH, ask for the maximum as now the proposal, once certified as Referendum, will be negociated betweeen the State and the Citizens and the amount might be reduced.

Switzerland is using Direct Democracy since mid 19th Century. They lately voted by Popular Referendum on limitation of high salararies in Enterprises(accepted) and raise of VTA(accepted)


2013/8/2 Zbigniew Łukasiak <zzbbyy at gmail.com>
Looks like the Swiss are ahead in the game:

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nzz.ch%2Faktuell%2Fschweiz%2Fschweizer-koennen-wohl-ueber-grundeinkommen-abstimmen-1.18126122&act=url

They have collected enough signatures that the idea will be voted in
the parliament - as I understand it.

By the way - to all supporters of BI - have a look at the 'canadian
pension system' thread that I have started recently - it is like BI
but limited to pensioners, because of this limit it is something that
is practical to do even now.

Cheers,
Zbigniew
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