[pp.int.general] 'Liquid Democrazy': Pirate Party Sinks amid Chaos and Bickering

[nicolas boucher]

I do agree with Antonio : we have to work as a team and respect the
different opinions and views of each other. On the other hand, we are
feeding the medias with internal problems. They love those things : have a
look in France with the fight between Coppé and Fillon.

I think we can come out greater from this.

Nico

2013/2/24 Antonio Garcia <ningunotro at hotmail.com>

> Perfectly worded, Anouk.
>
> And fit to tweet around.
>
>
> All the problems we face resume to just one... dare to trust each other.
> Then we can restart on a clean basis.
>
>
> Antonio.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 11:15:50 +0100
> From: jakobsheep at gmail.com
> To: me at travismccrea.com
> CC: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] 'Liquid Democrazy': Pirate Party Sinks amid
> Chaos and Bickering
>
> Thank you Travis for your openess. I understand your point much better now.
> What I ment to say with ego versus individual is what you explain here as
> a brain virus. I also visiualize it that way. Egoism stands for the
> reasoning from solely the self-interest as where individualism stands for
> taking account of the other individuals on a equal base. That is the world
> of difference that would change the world when understood and practised.
> pirately,
> mrNatural
> On Feb 24, 2013 9:08 a.m., "Travis McCrea" <me at travismccrea.com> wrote:
>
> Of course it is, we are people (and I am generalizing here, so please
> forgive me I know it doesn't include everyone) who were bullied and teased
> in school, we were outcasts and now that we have our own clique we are
> developing the same patterns that the cliques in High School did. We are
> becoming bullies to people in our group and looking at our differences
> instead of our likenesses.
>
> Throw that in with a group that is statistically more likely to have
> Aspergers (or something else on the Autism Spectrum or social deficit
> disorder), and you have the Pirate Party. We cannot change how our brains
> work, however, we can look within ourselves and try to see what we are
> doing so that we can be nicer to each other. It's harder because we are not
> trying to be mean, we are not trying to ride someone hard, but we usually
> do and once we see that in ourselves we can work to fix it.
>
> People with an ASD also have a bigger problem with people telling us what
> to do. We don't want you to boss us around or think that you are somehow
> better than us. The libertarianism in our party probably in large part
> comes from that, and it's not necessarily wrong to question authority… I
> don't have the answer for how we respond to this, I have my opinions on
> leadership and I know many of you have different views on it. However, we
> should recognize that the general group of people I am addressing this to
> (which includes me) have an unnatural aversion to people in leadership
> roles and while we shouldn't give them arbitrary trust, we should treat
> them with understanding that they are doing a lot to make as many people as
> they can happy.
>
> Maybe I will get flamed for this "blah blah blah you can't generalize"
> "blah blah blah politically correct things about ASD"… so I just want to
> repeat this isn't for everyone, if you read this and see a little bit of
> yourself in it… then it's for you.
>
> *Travis McCrea*
> Pirate Party of Canada
> The Ultimate Ebook Library
> Kopimist Church of Idaho
>
> Phone: 1(206)552-8728 US Call/Text
> IRC: irc.freenode.net, irc.pirateirc.net (TeamColtra or TravisMcCrea)
> Web: travismccrea.com
> IM: teamcoltra at 451.im (jabber) teamcoltra (AIM)
>
> On Feb 24, 2013, at 2:49 AM, Francisco George <francisco.george at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Let us face the truth...we are all affected by the same virus!
>
>
> https://twitter.com/SalernoMax/statuses/305344760963543040
>
>
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-pirate-party-sinks-amid-chaos-and-bickering-a-884533.html
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