[pp.int.general] Transparency in the party

Antonio Garcia ningunotro at hotmail.com
Thu Feb 28 23:43:18 CET 2013

Brains. Beppe Grillo has got brains ;) .

I was going to say something about a certain master strategy... but I could not find the right spelling on their website (a pleasant surprise I was not expecting anymore). Still, a certain Rick Falkvinge must be dreaming about Beppe Grillo's present strategical situation.

Some pirates, like Italian and Dutch ones... apparently lack brains. Before you all have a go at my throat... I find them also sorely missing among my brethren in the Iberian Peninsula.


From: i at dario.im
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 23:15:30 +0100
To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Transparency in the party

2013/2/27  <thijs.markus at piratenpartij.nl>

So do I, oh so do I.

Antonio Garcia schreef op 27.02.2013 15:11:

I could not agree more.

But then, I am eagerly awaiting a Beppe Grillo in the Netherlands


I feel curious. What is the real difference between M5S and PP, the one that makes you desire to have your own Beppe Grillo?

I don't disagree with making a politician public and accountable in front of society because he is part of the public system but I don't think M5S is 100% pirate, it just looks alike. Using LQFB or fighting corruption doesn't make it pirate. From what I read [0], M5S has a strong (but incomplete) position in economics, mainly interventionist (far away from usual socialdemocracy) and many other things which are "so so" in freedom terms.

I see too some points that are part of Pirate core ideology but I keep thinking that it doesn't make it a pirate-compatible movement.
I don't mean that we must be "pure and clean". Their programme isn't particularly better than any of PP-CAT programmes. The main difference must be the number of persons participating on its redaction, that's why it is a bit broader (although having only 13 pages, which is fine) but also scatterer.

What I really mean is that they could make it better, more of a framework than a random list of specific actions/promises that just sound right/good to a lot of people. I must point too that every country is pretty different in their political dynamics so I think it is less probable to see these results on other countries.

[0] https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/materiali-bg/Programma-Movimento-5-Stelle.pdf

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