[pp.int.general] Aaron Swartz Commits Suicide > two projects
Francisco George
francisco.george at gmail.com
Sat Jan 12 23:33:21 CET 2013
You may have not niticed but he killed himself just 2 years after being
arrested on January, 11th 2011
*"Since his arresting the early morning of January 11, 2011"*
*
*
from Lessig blog post
http://lessig.tumblr.com/post/40347463044/prosecutor-as-bully
>From Partido Pirata we DMed Kim Dotcom
"KimDotcom: Copyright enforcement just got its first dead
http://t.co/lHFNfSb you should name one of your servers with his name"
This is his reaction to the news
"Unbelievable. Fucking DOJ"
And then posted this on Twitter
http://twitter.com/KimDotcom/statuses/290083694696349696
Cory Doctorow who kew him well too wrote this obituary
http://boingboing.net/2013/01/12/rip-aaron-swartz.html
Lots of testimonies are coming from relevant Internet personalities
Tim O'Reilly - Editor
http://twitter.com/timoreilly/statuses/290157040062566400
http://twitter.com/timoreilly/statuses/290131206396313600
Jeff Jarvis - Journalist
http://twitter.com/jeffjarvis/statuses/290122990916616192
http://twitter.com/jeffjarvis/statuses/290183617718661122
JP Barlow - EFF
http://twitter.com/JPBarlow/statuses/290031669291933697
http://twitter.com/JPBarlow/statuses/290028162446929920
Finally we posted this
#Copyright enforcement war just claimed its first deadly victim
http://t.co/TuxJsbYH RIP . at aaronsw (Aaron Swartz) #ppint #copywrong
http://twitter.com/partido_pirata/statuses/290142766338547712
You can follow more reactions of relevant comments on Aaron's death
following my HackSociety Twitter list
https://twitter.com/paco229/hacksociety2
Redditors are compiling articles and reactions about Aaron's tragic end
here
http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/16fjjm/aaron_shwartz_reddit_cofounder_rip/
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> 1. Re: Aaron Swartz Commits Suicide > two projects (Jelena Jovanovic)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 18:32:47 +0100
> From: Jelena Jovanovic <jelena.the.one at gmail.com>
> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
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> I just don't understand why people don't seek for help instead, but really.
> Depression is light disorder and it can be easily kept controlled.
> We have minister of defense here who has much much worse/ more serious
> diagnose, but it didn't stop him to become prime minister also! And ofc
> this information is still on a rumor level /though I am convinced public
> should know about it, sorry for off-topic/.
>
> Maybe the problem is in stigmatizing these people?
>
> Campaign is good thing. I would love to see it everywhere. Ofc people
> suffer but we have to use this all connected world to increase awareness
> that they are not alone.
>
> JJ
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Patrick Maechler v/o Valio <
> pirate at valio.ch
> > wrote:
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> > suicide prevention policies
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> From: Antonio Garcia <ningunotro at hotmail.com>
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> Maybe because there is nobody to get help from...
>
> ... once you get tired of not being understood by your peers... they are
> part of the problem, not people with a possible solution.
>
>
> The stigmatizing issue... if for those that stay behind. Those that commit
> suicide have nothing more to worry about.
>
> The only solution is being aware ourselves, and being something of a hope
> when some is needed.
>
>
> Antonio.
> ?
> ________________________________
> > Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 18:32:47 +0100
> > From: jelena.the.one at gmail.com
> > To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> > Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Aaron Swartz Commits Suicide > two projects
> >
> > I just don't understand why people don't seek for help instead, but
> > really. Depression is light disorder and it can be easily kept
> > controlled.
> > We have minister of defense here who has much much worse/ more serious
> > diagnose, but it didn't stop him to become prime minister also! And ofc
> > this information is still on a rumor level /though I am convinced
> > public should know about it, sorry for off-topic/.
> >
> > Maybe the problem is in stigmatizing these people?
> >
> > Campaign is good thing. I would love to see it everywhere. Ofc people
> > suffer but we have to use this all connected world to increase
> > awareness that they are not alone.
> >
> > JJ
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Patrick Maechler v/o Valio
> > <pirate at valio.ch<mailto:pirate at valio.ch>> wrote:
> > suicide prevention policies
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________________________________________________ Pirate Parties
> > International - General Talk
> > pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> > http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 14:02:59 -0500
> From: Richard Stallman <rms at gnu.org>
> To: me at travismccrea.com, Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
> <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
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> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Aaron Swartz Commits Suicide
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> I didn't know Swartz personally, so I have no knowledge about the
> extent to which he was depressed, independent of his legal situation.
> But apparently that alone wasn't enough to kill him.
>
> Having a tendency depression does not mean one is impervious to
> reality. The reality of the US attack against him surely contributed
> to how depressed he felt.
>
> So we have reason to think the US government drove Swartz to it. This
> was not murder; the US did not aim to kill him, only to ruin his life
> on behalf of the copyright industry. But it probably did kill him.
>
> --
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> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 21:05:16 +0100
> From: roberto aka robske <evilteddyxl at gmail.com>
> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
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> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Aaron Swartz Commits Suicide > two
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> I think this is not purely related to the internet, but to a certain type
> of personality. Just look at history and see how many very talented people
> committed suicide. Its higher than average.
>
> I think antonio hits it spot on. These people are often not understood by
> society, which results in social isolation. And many people can not handle
> social isolation. This is a pattern not just related to the internet or the
> last years.
>
> - robske/kristi
> Op 12 jan. 2013 19:42 schreef "Antonio Garcia" <ningunotro at hotmail.com>
> het
> volgende:
>
> > Maybe because there is nobody to get help from...
> >
> > ... once you get tired of not being understood by your peers... they are
> > part of the problem, not people with a possible solution.
> >
> >
> > The stigmatizing issue... if for those that stay behind. Those that
> commit
> > suicide have nothing more to worry about.
> >
> > The only solution is being aware ourselves, and being something of a hope
> > when some is needed.
> >
> >
> > Antonio.
> >
> > ________________________________
> > > Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 18:32:47 +0100
> > > From: jelena.the.one at gmail.com
> > > To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> > > Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Aaron Swartz Commits Suicide > two
> projects
> > >
> > > I just don't understand why people don't seek for help instead, but
> > > really. Depression is light disorder and it can be easily kept
> > > controlled.
> > > We have minister of defense here who has much much worse/ more serious
> > > diagnose, but it didn't stop him to become prime minister also! And ofc
> > > this information is still on a rumor level /though I am convinced
> > > public should know about it, sorry for off-topic/.
> > >
> > > Maybe the problem is in stigmatizing these people?
> > >
> > > Campaign is good thing. I would love to see it everywhere. Ofc people
> > > suffer but we have to use this all connected world to increase
> > > awareness that they are not alone.
> > >
> > > JJ
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Patrick Maechler v/o Valio
> > > <pirate at valio.ch<mailto:pirate at valio.ch>> wrote:
> > > suicide prevention policies
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ____________________________________________________ Pirate Parties
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> > > pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> > > http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
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> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 22:39:19 +0100
> From: Dario <i at dario.im>
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> >From Lessig obituary:
> http://lessig.tumblr.com/post/40347463044/prosecutor-as-bully
>
>
>
> *Please don?t pathologize this story.*
> >
> > No doubt it is a certain crazy that brings a person as loved as Aaron was
> > loved (and he was surrounded in NY by people who loved him) to do what
> > Aaron did. It angers me that he did what he did. But if we?re going to
> > learn from this, we can?t let slide what brought him here.
>
>
> Sincerely, this doesn't look as a "no one understand me" suicide. I ask
> everybody to skip theorizing and to do something useful as Patrick started.
>
> Patrick, if I can help, count me on board. I can setup a WP or a static
> site for http://live-long-and-prosper.org
>
> in my personal server or
> wherever, if you want.
>
>
> 2013/1/12 roberto aka robske <evilteddyxl at gmail.com>
>
> > I think this is not purely related to the internet, but to a certain type
> > of personality. Just look at history and see how many very talented
> people
> > committed suicide. Its higher than average.
> >
> > I think antonio hits it spot on. These people are often not understood by
> > society, which results in social isolation. And many people can not
> handle
> > social isolation. This is a pattern not just related to the internet or
> the
> > last years.
> >
> > - robske/kristi
> > Op 12 jan. 2013 19:42 schreef "Antonio Garcia" <ningunotro at hotmail.com>
> > het volgende:
> >
> > Maybe because there is nobody to get help from...
> >>
> >> ... once you get tired of not being understood by your peers... they are
> >> part of the problem, not people with a possible solution.
> >>
> >>
> >> The stigmatizing issue... if for those that stay behind. Those that
> >> commit suicide have nothing more to worry about.
> >>
> >> The only solution is being aware ourselves, and being something of a
> hope
> >> when some is needed.
> >>
> >>
> >> Antonio.
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> > Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 18:32:47 +0100
> >> > From: jelena.the.one at gmail.com
> >> > To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> >> > Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Aaron Swartz Commits Suicide > two
> >> projects
> >> >
> >> > I just don't understand why people don't seek for help instead, but
> >> > really. Depression is light disorder and it can be easily kept
> >> > controlled.
> >> > We have minister of defense here who has much much worse/ more serious
> >> > diagnose, but it didn't stop him to become prime minister also! And
> ofc
> >> > this information is still on a rumor level /though I am convinced
> >> > public should know about it, sorry for off-topic/.
> >> >
> >> > Maybe the problem is in stigmatizing these people?
> >> >
> >> > Campaign is good thing. I would love to see it everywhere. Ofc people
> >> > suffer but we have to use this all connected world to increase
> >> > awareness that they are not alone.
> >> >
> >> > JJ
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Patrick Maechler v/o Valio
> >> > <pirate at valio.ch<mailto:pirate at valio.ch>> wrote:
> >> > suicide prevention policies
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ____________________________________________________ Pirate Parties
> >> > International - General Talk
> >> > pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> >> > http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>
>
> >> ____________________________________________________
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>
> >>
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