[pp.int.general] The PIRATE ROUTE

[anne-marie victor]

I wish only to say how interesting and realistic I find Seykron's point of
view.
Le 5 juil. 2013 21:36, "seykron" <seykron at partidopirata.com.ar> a écrit :

> I agree with you in several points: I think real change will come from the
> bottom, and I usually argue that a Parliament is the worst place to start
> because it's too rigid and fully functional to the Establishment. It's how
> things work these times, and it's not possible to introduce high-scale
> changes
> without dealing with the "legal" way, but in my honest opinion it should
> never
> be the main goal of a pirate party.
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> Regarding your point about a LONG WAY and a SHORT WAY, I think what you
> name
> "SHORT" is not that short, and it's probably longer than the "LONG WAY".
> No one
> is able to suddenly change the society mindset, and anyone who wants to
> force
> social changes will fail unless it uses violence. In the argentinian pirate
> party we're discussing about cooperatives and distribution of abandoned
> properties as the starting point to build horizontal labour relationships
> and spread the culture of friendship and mutual colaboration. But it's not
> that easy, it probably cannot be achieved in a "short" time. On the other
> hard,
> we're taking part in the development of a network neutrality law, which is
> a
> parliamentary job and it requires to work together with another parties.
> That's
> not a big deal, but it's something in the middle between do nothing and
> build
> upon unrealistic ideas.
>
> How much is "short" for you?, do you have in mind the steps to carry out
> what
> you consider "the pirate way"?
>
>
> Matías
>
>
> On 2013-07-05 07:26:06PM, Danilo D'Antonio wrote:
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> > On 05/07/2013 at 13.55 seykron wrote:
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> > >If you're focused in dealing with real changes and you don't want to
> > >participate in the criticism of the movement, it's completely valid and
> needed, but
> > >please consider the whole: in order to introduce REAL changes, to win
> positions
> > >in parliaments and modify some laws is no enough, it's a long-term
> project that involves
> > >political, cultural, historical and philosophical research.
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> > Matías and All, excuse my brutality. Excuse, excuse, excuse me.
> >
> > Now, please, consider that YOU have taken the LONG WAY but there is a
> SHORT WAY that is exactly what the World is waiting for.
> >
> >
> > The LONG WAY:
> >
> > Pirate Parties are passively pursuing (by following the route of all the
> other Parties of the Earth) the conquer of Parliaments. Pirate Parties want
> to be as usual political intermediaries.
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> >
> > The SHORT WAY:
> >
> > doesn't matter who conquers the Parliaments! Pirate Parties take another
> route: they open public jobs to people, to citizens. In this way the
> citizens can position themselves all around and close to the politicians,
> all around the Governments.
> >
> > And is CHECKMATE!
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> > Politicians can do their WORSE only because of PUBLIC CAREERISTS, of
> public employees engaged for all their life. Public careerists are open to
> blackmail. The Elites will win for ever.
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> > On the contrary: by having around people who come back simple citizens
> once finished their temporary job period, politicians are compelled to make
> their BEST! Citizens are not open to blackmail. The Elites have finished to
> impose themselves over our World.
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> >
> > Send me to fuck how much you wish. I will thank you.
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> > But if you want to be TRUE PIRATES you must give to the World the PIRATE
> ROUTE!
> >
> > To conquer the greatest treasure of our social evolution, doesn't serve
> we enter into the Parliaments. Once frequented their Res Publicas, citizens
> will give directly their setting to Parliaments.
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> > danilo
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