[pp.int.general] Basic income - how does that fit into the pirate ideology?

[Betiel]

2013/7/12 Zbigniew Łukasiak <zzbbyy at gmail.com>

> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Betiel <betielix at gmail.com> wrote:
> > What`s the matter if it is leftist or not? The question must be if it
> will
> > be usefull and solve people problems or not. Or if basic incomes should
> be
> > addressed by pirates parties or not. If you see it as a kind of human
> right
> > I believe is a valid pirate topic.
> >
> > In Argentina we actually have basic income by law. It would be crazy to
> try
> > to change that, except perhaps to ask for a change in the mount due to
> > inflation, so we really do not have discussions about it.
>
> Hmm - I am not sure if we are talking about the same thing - I have
> not heard about any country implementing the 'unconditional basic
> income' - or in other words 'citizen salary'.
>

I hope the other message I`ve send explains it better.


>
> Z.
>
>
> > Personally I believe having a basic income helps to avoid abuses from
> some
> > unethical companies.
> >
> >
> > 2013/7/12 Zbigniew Łukasiak <zzbbyy at gmail.com>
> >>
> >> Basic income is often mentioned as point of the pirates program.  Do
> >> you think it is a universal thing across all pirate parties - or is it
> >> just the German pirates that stand strongly behind it?
> >>
> >> Do you think it is leftist?
> >>
> >> Personally I support Basic Income.  It might be viewed as slightly
> >> leftist - but if it is introduced together with a linear taxation
> >> scale and getting rid of unemployment benefits - then it is not
> >> leftist at all.  For me the most important aspect of this whole
> >> package is that it makes governance simpler.  Taxation is decoupled
> >> and can be payed independently for all income sources and the state is
> >> not forced to do things that depend too much on personal circumstances
> >> (like checking if the person is really unemployed and if he really
> >> tries to find a job etc) - state is not good in these - people quickly
> >> learn how to fool it and that is demoralizing.  But state is good for
> >> universal services - like paying everyone the same amount.  So let the
> >> state do what it is good at and let other, smaller organizations do
> >> other things.
> >>
> >> There are of course many other benefits as well - but this is what
> >> moves me personally.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Zbigniew Lukasiak
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