[pp.int.general] Basic income - how does that fit into the pirate ideology?

[Tom Behets]

> a pirate way of thinking

Now that is some argument...
On 12 Jul 2013 18:52, "Zbigniew Łukasiak" <zzbbyy at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Tom Behets <behets at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Some days ago, a non pirate told me her idea of the Pirate party.
> > She said pirate party is constantly co-opted by all sorts of leftist
> > interest groups to push their agenda.
> > I feel the same.
> >
> > We should stick to our core issues.
> > If you aim for everything, you get nothing...
>
> So why do you think it is outside of the core issues?  I see it as a
> system simplifying idea - and this feels to me as a very pirate way of
> thinking about the state.
>
> Z.
>
>
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > On 12 Jul 2013 15:26, "Zbigniew Łukasiak" <zzbbyy at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Basic income is often mentioned as point of the pirates program.  Do
> >> you think it is a universal thing across all pirate parties - or is it
> >> just the German pirates that stand strongly behind it?
> >>
> >> Do you think it is leftist?
> >>
> >> Personally I support Basic Income.  It might be viewed as slightly
> >> leftist - but if it is introduced together with a linear taxation
> >> scale and getting rid of unemployment benefits - then it is not
> >> leftist at all.  For me the most important aspect of this whole
> >> package is that it makes governance simpler.  Taxation is decoupled
> >> and can be payed independently for all income sources and the state is
> >> not forced to do things that depend too much on personal circumstances
> >> (like checking if the person is really unemployed and if he really
> >> tries to find a job etc) - state is not good in these - people quickly
> >> learn how to fool it and that is demoralizing.  But state is good for
> >> universal services - like paying everyone the same amount.  So let the
> >> state do what it is good at and let other, smaller organizations do
> >> other things.
> >>
> >> There are of course many other benefits as well - but this is what
> >> moves me personally.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Zbigniew Lukasiak
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> >> http://perlalchemy.blogspot.com/
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> Zbigniew Lukasiak
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> http://perlalchemy.blogspot.com/
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