[pp.int.general] Basic income - how does that fit into the pirate ideology?

[Koen De Voegt]

I'm a great fan of the maximum income, I've coined the idea myself 
already several times.
Koen


Op 12-07-13 19:05, Thrasos Nerantzis schreef:
> It's  a core issue, especially for the countries of southern europe.
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> I think the minimum basic income is important, especially in 
> industrialized countries where bosses tend to come together on 
> agreements, so that they can bring down salaries and increase margins.
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> I don't think we should be debating the minimum basic salary, because 
> by definition it's there to defend the lower classes of labour,
>  instead we should be introducing a "maximum income", to avoid 
> repeating what we've all witnessed with the banking sector.
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> Perhaps a "maximum income" along with decision transparency might help 
> reduce the chances of wealth over-accumulation and poverty.
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> Whats your take on this?
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> Thrasos Nerantzis
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> On Jul 12, 2013, at 7:46 PM, Tom Behets <behets at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Some days ago, a non pirate told me her idea of the Pirate party.
>> She said pirate party is constantly co-opted by all sorts of leftist 
>> interest groups to push their agenda.
>> I feel the same.
>>
>> We should stick to our core issues.
>> If you aim for everything, you get nothing...
>>
>> Tom
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>> On 12 Jul 2013 15:26, "Zbigniew ?ukasiak" <zzbbyy at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:zzbbyy at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>>     Basic income is often mentioned as point of the pirates program.  Do
>>     you think it is a universal thing across all pirate parties - or
>>     is it
>>     just the German pirates that stand strongly behind it?
>>
>>     Do you think it is leftist?
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>>     Personally I support Basic Income.  It might be viewed as slightly
>>     leftist - but if it is introduced together with a linear taxation
>>     scale and getting rid of unemployment benefits - then it is not
>>     leftist at all.  For me the most important aspect of this whole
>>     package is that it makes governance simpler.  Taxation is decoupled
>>     and can be payed independently for all income sources and the
>>     state is
>>     not forced to do things that depend too much on personal
>>     circumstances
>>     (like checking if the person is really unemployed and if he really
>>     tries to find a job etc) - state is not good in these - people
>>     quickly
>>     learn how to fool it and that is demoralizing.  But state is good for
>>     universal services - like paying everyone the same amount.  So
>>     let the
>>     state do what it is good at and let other, smaller organizations do
>>     other things.
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>>     There are of course many other benefits as well - but this is what
>>     moves me personally.
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>>     --
>>     Zbigniew Lukasiak
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