[pp.int.general] OTR Chatting en mass?

[Antonio Garcia]

Logic, ethic, and justice, nor philosophy do propagate adequately limited to 140 character blobs to code ideas.

But of course, if all you want the masses to say is:

"Me monkey. You give banana?" then you still provide margin for progress :( .


Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 10:21:30 -0700
From: aftermath.thegreat at gmail.com
To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] OTR Chatting en mass?

WHAT THE MASSES REALLY NEED
is an application that allows you to text message (sms) with OTR made for iOS, android windows phone and symbian and black berry OS.
Most laypersons on the street use simple text messages (sms) and have either iOS or android platforms.


anyone on the OTR mailing list? 

On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 4:18 AM, Jack Allnutt <j.allnutt at pirateparty.org.uk> wrote:


  
    
  
  
    

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    On 11/07/2013 21:04, Richard Stallman wrote:

    >     It also looks like the
      client will be open source but not free software.

      >

      > What specific facts is that conclusion based on?

    

    Their FAQ. They use the term "open source":

    

    *Will it be Open Source?*

    We have all intentions of opening up the source as much as possible
    for scrutiny and help! What we really want people to understand
    however, is that Open Source in itself does not guarantee any
    privacy or safety. It sure helps with transparency, but technology
    by itself is not enough. The fundamental benefits of Heml.is will be
    the app together with our infrastructure, which is what really makes
    the system interesting and secure.

    

    But further down they state:

    

    *Your server only?*

    Yes! The way to make the system secure is that we can control the
    infrastructure. Distributing to other servers makes it impossible to
    give any guarantees about the security. We?ll have audits from
    trusted third parties on our platforms regularily[sic], in
    cooperation with our community.

    

    This in combination with another answer:

    

    *Will you provide an API and/or allow third party clients?*

    At this point we don?t see how that would be possible without
    compromising the security, so for now the answer is no.

    

    

    leads me to conclude that it wouldn't allow the end-user to exercise
    her 4 freedoms, specifically #1. Of course they could just be
    talking about their back-end, but I struggle to see how they would
    exclude forked versions effectively if the client was completely
    free.

    

    > It is possible for a

      > program to be open source but not free software, but it is
      extremely

      > unusual in an application.

    

    Is there that much of a difference between a program and an
    application, other than the packaging?

    

    >   A priori, a misunderstanding
      is more

      > likely.  Could this be a misunderstanding?

    

    Perhaps, but I am sceptical.

    

    - -- Jack

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