[pp.int.general] Basic income - how does that fit into the pirate ideology?

[Koen De Voegt]

I'm surprised to hear that people outside of Belgium ever hear about 
Vivant. I used to vote for them when the where an independent party. The 
have however merged into the liberal party in Flanders and by doing so 
became quit irrelevant. Some former Vivant members are now in PPBE. So I 
believe Basic income has a good chance of making it into our program.

Koen

Op 13-07-13 08:08, Francisco George schreef:
> The PP-ES stands in favour of Basic Income.
>
> Actually there are already states that have BI implented.
>
> Alaska
> Some Arab emirates, but just for their nationals(emigrants are not 
> included)
>
> 20 years ago a political party in Belgium started to defend this and 
> got some hype.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivant
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/vivant/60132009232
> http://www.vivanteurope.org/?lang=en
>
> As he was founded by a Millionaire 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Duch%C3%A2telet in Belgium and due 
> to their alliance with Liberals, they have been considered a 
> Center-right movement,
>
> It is classified as "Progressive Liberalism" also known as "Social 
> Liberalism" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_liberalism
>
> Roland Duchatelet, it's founder, was Belgian Senator from 2007 > 2011 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Duch%C3%A2telet
>
>
> The mixed(french/german) public tv has a special dossier about it 
> http://future.arte.tv/fr/sujet/le-revenu-de-base-promesse-dun-avenir-meilleur (sorry 
> just available in German or French)
>
>
> 2013/7/13 <illunatic at greenpirate.org <mailto:illunatic at greenpirate.org>>
>
>     Kind of have to agree with that as I recently cut back to two days
>     at my current job because I need more time available to do other
>     things which pay more. They job was more than minimum wage, but
>     not enough to fit my lavish lifestyle (sarcasm).
>
>     Quoting Antonio Garcia <ningunotro at hotmail.com
>     <mailto:ningunotro at hotmail.com>>:
>
>         Oh, yeah! Instead of being 50 units short to get to the end of
>         the month, people would prefer to have nothing at all. Might
>         be an option for people that do not accumulate fixed cost in
>         their aim of running their life, like mortgages and such.
>
>         I love intelligent comment and cheer it when I see some ;) .
>
>
>             From: me at travismccrea.com <mailto:me at travismccrea.com>
>             Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 12:40:15 -0400
>             To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>             <mailto:pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>             Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Basic income - how does that
>             fit into the pirate ideology?
>
>             I have never heard of this argument? in reality it has no
>             basis. If a company was paying you less than basic income,
>             you would just not take the job, or you could quit the job.
>
>
>             On 2013-07-12, at 10:06 AM, Cal. wrote:
>
>             > On 12 July 2013 15:38, Betiel <betielix at gmail.com
>             <mailto:betielix at gmail.com>> wrote:
>             >> Personally I believe having a basic income helps to
>             avoid abuses from some
>             >> unethical companies.
>             >
>             > It depends. A common leftist objection on basic income
>             is that it
>             > enables "unethical evil company" to offer jobs for very
>             very very low
>             > wages.
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