[pp.int.general] Basic income - how does that fit into the pirate ideology?

[Francisco George]

Koen,

:-) Yes you are right I'm outside Belgium, but I'm Belgian(Liege) that's
why I know about Vivant :-). They came out before I left Belgium in 1999 :-)

Best regards to my Country and to the City of Antwerp.

Francisco
(Jean-François George)


2013/7/14 Koen De Voegt <koen.devoegt at antwerpsepiraten.be>

>  I'm surprised to hear that people outside of Belgium ever hear about
> Vivant. I used to vote for them when the where an independent party. The
> have however merged into the liberal party in Flanders and by doing so
> became quit irrelevant. Some former Vivant members are now in PPBE. So I
> believe Basic income has a good chance of making it into our program.
>
> Koen
>
> Op 13-07-13 08:08, Francisco George schreef:
>
> The PP-ES stands in favour of Basic Income.
>
>  Actually there are already states that have BI implented.
>
>  Alaska
> Some Arab emirates, but just for their nationals(emigrants are not
> included)
>
>  20 years ago a political party in Belgium started to defend this and got
> some hype.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivant
>  https://www.facebook.com/pages/vivant/60132009232
>  http://www.vivanteurope.org/?lang=en
>
>  As he was founded by a Millionaire
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Duch%C3%A2telet in Belgium and due to
> their alliance with Liberals, they have been considered a Center-right
> movement,
>
>  It is classified as "Progressive Liberalism" also known as "Social
> Liberalism" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_liberalism
>
>  Roland Duchatelet, it's founder, was Belgian Senator from 2007 > 2011
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Duch%C3%A2telet
>
>
>  The mixed(french/german) public tv has a special dossier about it
> http://future.arte.tv/fr/sujet/le-revenu-de-base-promesse-dun-avenir-meilleur (sorry
> just available in German or French)
>
>
> 2013/7/13 <illunatic at greenpirate.org>
>
>> Kind of have to agree with that as I recently cut back to two days at my
>> current job because I need more time available to do other things which pay
>> more. They job was more than minimum wage, but not enough to fit my lavish
>> lifestyle (sarcasm).
>>
>> Quoting Antonio Garcia <ningunotro at hotmail.com>:
>>
>>  Oh, yeah! Instead of being 50 units short to get to the end of the
>>> month, people would prefer to have nothing at all. Might be an option for
>>> people that do not accumulate fixed cost in their aim of running their
>>> life, like mortgages and such.
>>>
>>> I love intelligent comment and cheer it when I see some ;) .
>>>
>>>
>>>   From: me at travismccrea.com
>>>> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 12:40:15 -0400
>>>> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Basic income - how does that fit into the
>>>> pirate ideology?
>>>>
>>>>  I have never heard of this argument? in reality it has no basis. If a
>>>> company was paying you less than basic income, you would just not take the
>>>> job, or you could quit the job.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2013-07-12, at 10:06 AM, Cal. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On 12 July 2013 15:38, Betiel <betielix at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> Personally I believe having a basic income helps to avoid abuses
>>>> from some
>>>> >> unethical companies.
>>>> >
>>>> > It depends. A common leftist objection on basic income is that it
>>>> > enables "unethical evil company" to offer jobs for very very very low
>>>> > wages.
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