[pp.int.general] Basic income - how does that fit into the pirate ideology?

John Nilsson john at milsson.nu
Thu Jul 18 05:08:58 CEST 2013

Den 17 jul 2013 12:46 skrev "carlo von lynX" <lynX at pirate.my.buttharp.org>:
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 08:19:06PM +0200, John Nilsson wrote:
> > [...]UBI is basically an ethical issue in my mind, and the
> > economics of it mostly an implementation detail.
> I would object.. the economic implications are huge and IMHO politically
> advantagious:
Oh. I didn't mean to imply that they wasn't. I agree it would have a
drastic impact. I only meant that the effect is secondary. It is indeed
desireable but it should follow from simple ethical foundations not justify
advanced budgetary acrobatics.

> My favourite is the plan to introduce massive environmental taxation
> such that UBI leads to a sustainable balanced economy.
Fully agree, it should also be a nice politically acceptable way to
introduce UBI as such in practice. I'm only saying that we shouldn't call
it taxation as that implies that there is a right to destroy our
environment in the first place. We should call it due compensation for
allowing it.

> > georgism, which I think is the correct basis for a pirate take on the
> > issue, it could actually be seen as a very rightish thing.
>[...], asking for a UBI model isn't
> enough - we have to make sure it is done right.
I see your point. I do think a firm ethical foundation can only help in
that regard though.

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