[pp.int.general] Fwd: Really now?

[Gregory Engels]

Patric.

since you stated, that you are not interested in what I write, I refrain from answering. 
Also, It is unacceptable to forward private conversation to a public mailing list. 
YOU are talking about privacy issues? Dude, get a life. 


sincerely yours, 

Gregory Engels
Co-Chairman
Pirate Parties International

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On 07.06.2013, at 14:39, Patrick Godschalk <patrick.godschalk at piratenpartij.nl> wrote:

>> Patrick, 
>> 
>> Please stop this. 
>> Believe me, there is no problem, and you are not seeing the reality how it is. 
> 
> I consider this a problem. The people in this thread in April 
> also seemed to consider this a problem. That, by definition, 
> makes it a problem for some people. And since those people are 
> members of Pirate Parties, you know, the people you as a board 
> are supposed to help coordinate, that also makes it *your* 
> problem as a board, whether you like or agree with it or not.
> 
> 
> 
>> Since you have posted the DIG output of PPI Dns you should be able
>> to interpret the results, instead of making false accusations based on 
>> misunderstanding. You claim, that there is some problem with the 
>> website, cause you se some A and AAAA records in the output 
>> pointing to google. This is however entirely irrelevant for the Website.
> 
> Again, I have NO idea how the website is hosted as I've pointed 
> out in three earlier mails. That also wasn't ever the point, as 
> the thread was specifically started around the e-mail accounts 
> on pp-international.net, as you could've deduced from the fact 
> that I specifically ran dig for MX records.
> 
> 
> 
>> You are keeping ranting around, without considering the possibility
>> that you might be wrong. 
> 
> Possibly, but the same could be said about you. Regardless, 
> this isn't a constructive argument whatsoever and an ad 
> hominem at best. You seem to be under the impression that I'm 
> out to 'get you', or 'get PPI'. I'm not. In fact, I have no 
> strong feelings about you or PPI whatsoever. (Also known as 
> apathy, which isn't a good position for your members to be 
> in, but that's a different matter.)
> 
> What I *do* care about is the privacy of individuals sending 
> an e-mail to PPI for any reason whatsoever. Think 
> journalists, who are in many countries dependent on privacy 
> for their job and in a few countries, their life. *THAT'S* 
> why I'm sending this e-mail thread.
> 
> 
> 
>> Your initial question was "dig pp-international.net mx" which gives 
>> you most everything about the MAIL routing to the op-international.net
>> domain. It gives you NONE answer for mail routing to other subdomains
>> or the WEB lookup. 
> 
> As I've addressed in my earlier mail, yes, when I mentioned 
> that this issue is specifically related to the
> pp-international.net domain. Not lists.$ or 
> lists.pirateweb.org. You're sending me an argument I've made 
> myself in an earlier e-mail. Wut?
> 
> 
> 
>> If you have something important to say, that should stay private, use
>> some encryption, for goodness sake! otherwise you only have a false
>> impression of security. 
> 
> Okay, yeah. Guys, show's over! Everyone should just make 
> their own privacy. No need for us anymore, lets all just 
> assume everyone has the technical know-how to run decent 
> encryption.
> 
> 
> 
>> that is all said. everything else is just mindless ranting and fighting. 
>> there is no need for this. I am not against you, or anybody inside the 
>> pirate movement, and we should treat each other with the due respect, 
>> as we all doing our job out of idealism and entirely voluntarily. 
> 
> Honestly, I've found your tone more disrespectful than not. 
> Again, I don't really mind or care, I can take it if it'll 
> lead to actually getting shit *done*. But whether you're 
> 'against me' or not, lets cut it out with the passive 
> aggressiveness. I prefer raw hate.
> 
> 
> 
>> Yes, we could spend our few resources for migration out from google, 
>> but then, we would miss them for other projects, and in the end, 
>> we would only switch from something that is working flawlessly to something
>> else, without improving anything or solving any problem.
> 
> According to <https://github.com/Pirate-Parties-International> 
> there are (at least) 168 people with more than enough 
> experience to set up a simple mail server. Therefore it's not 
> a matter of volunteers being available. A simple VPS (which is 
> all that's needed really) will net you under 5$ (or whatever 
> currency) a month. How much did the Kazán conference cost 
> again?
> 
> Also, what other projects?
> 
> -- 
> Patrick Godschalk 
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