[pp.int.general] Fwd: Really now?

[Thijs Markus]

Yes, how terribly impolite to keep an open and transparant discussion 
thus. Transparancy is bad and you should feel bad! These things ought to 
be resolved in private, behind closed doors. Else some blatant 
incompetence might be become public knowledge and we wouldn't want that 
now would we? You see, some people simply lack the merits to 
counterbalance their failings, and it'd be horribly unfair to them if we 
did things in an open and transparant fashion.

Gregory Engels schreef op 07.06.2013 17:06:
> Patric.
>
> since you stated, that you are not interested in what I write, I
> refrain from answering.
> Also, It is unacceptable to forward private conversation to a public
> mailing list.
> YOU are talking about privacy issues? Dude, get a life.
>
>
> sincerely yours,
>
> Gregory Engels
> Co-Chairman
> Pirate Parties International
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> On 07.06.2013, at 14:39, Patrick Godschalk
> <patrick.godschalk at piratenpartij.nl> wrote:
>
>>> Patrick,
>>>
>>> Please stop this.
>>> Believe me, there is no problem, and you are not seeing the reality 
>>> how it is.
>>
>> I consider this a problem. The people in this thread in April
>> also seemed to consider this a problem. That, by definition,
>> makes it a problem for some people. And since those people are
>> members of Pirate Parties, you know, the people you as a board
>> are supposed to help coordinate, that also makes it *your*
>> problem as a board, whether you like or agree with it or not.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Since you have posted the DIG output of PPI Dns you should be able
>>> to interpret the results, instead of making false accusations based 
>>> on
>>> misunderstanding. You claim, that there is some problem with the
>>> website, cause you se some A and AAAA records in the output
>>> pointing to google. This is however entirely irrelevant for the 
>>> Website.
>>
>> Again, I have NO idea how the website is hosted as I've pointed
>> out in three earlier mails. That also wasn't ever the point, as
>> the thread was specifically started around the e-mail accounts
>> on pp-international.net, as you could've deduced from the fact
>> that I specifically ran dig for MX records.
>>
>>
>>
>>> You are keeping ranting around, without considering the possibility
>>> that you might be wrong.
>>
>> Possibly, but the same could be said about you. Regardless,
>> this isn't a constructive argument whatsoever and an ad
>> hominem at best. You seem to be under the impression that I'm
>> out to 'get you', or 'get PPI'. I'm not. In fact, I have no
>> strong feelings about you or PPI whatsoever. (Also known as
>> apathy, which isn't a good position for your members to be
>> in, but that's a different matter.)
>>
>> What I *do* care about is the privacy of individuals sending
>> an e-mail to PPI for any reason whatsoever. Think
>> journalists, who are in many countries dependent on privacy
>> for their job and in a few countries, their life. *THAT'S*
>> why I'm sending this e-mail thread.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Your initial question was "dig pp-international.net mx" which gives
>>> you most everything about the MAIL routing to the 
>>> op-international.net
>>> domain. It gives you NONE answer for mail routing to other 
>>> subdomains
>>> or the WEB lookup.
>>
>> As I've addressed in my earlier mail, yes, when I mentioned
>> that this issue is specifically related to the
>> pp-international.net domain. Not lists.$ or
>> lists.pirateweb.org. You're sending me an argument I've made
>> myself in an earlier e-mail. Wut?
>>
>>
>>
>>> If you have something important to say, that should stay private, 
>>> use
>>> some encryption, for goodness sake! otherwise you only have a false
>>> impression of security.
>>
>> Okay, yeah. Guys, show's over! Everyone should just make
>> their own privacy. No need for us anymore, lets all just
>> assume everyone has the technical know-how to run decent
>> encryption.
>>
>>
>>
>>> that is all said. everything else is just mindless ranting and 
>>> fighting.
>>> there is no need for this. I am not against you, or anybody inside 
>>> the
>>> pirate movement, and we should treat each other with the due 
>>> respect,
>>> as we all doing our job out of idealism and entirely voluntarily.
>>
>> Honestly, I've found your tone more disrespectful than not.
>> Again, I don't really mind or care, I can take it if it'll
>> lead to actually getting shit *done*. But whether you're
>> 'against me' or not, lets cut it out with the passive
>> aggressiveness. I prefer raw hate.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Yes, we could spend our few resources for migration out from 
>>> google,
>>> but then, we would miss them for other projects, and in the end,
>>> we would only switch from something that is working flawlessly to 
>>> something
>>> else, without improving anything or solving any problem.
>>
>> According to <https://github.com/Pirate-Parties-International>
>> there are (at least) 168 people with more than enough
>> experience to set up a simple mail server. Therefore it's not
>> a matter of volunteers being available. A simple VPS (which is
>> all that's needed really) will net you under 5$ (or whatever
>> currency) a month. How much did the Kazán conference cost
>> again?
>>
>> Also, what other projects?
>>
>> --
>> Patrick Godschalk
>> patrick.godschalk at piratenpartij.nl
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