[pp.int.general] pirate logo copyright

[Antonio Garcia]

Dear Loïc,

You can NOT guarantee the logical and ethical coherence of the present and future pirate council of PP-FR, and if the present one harbours this illusion then it is too late...

The pirate movement is making itself ruinous and obsolete through the extremely naive oversimplification of all things the mass dynamics of its decision structures imposes since membership is boundless available to absolutely all.

The way things turned out at the PPI GA in Kazan/Brussels... clearly shows that any respect for logic and ethic is lost to the upper echelons of the organisation, and unknown to the rest.

Rest assured, nobody intelligent is going to try to hijack the present bad reputation of the existing Pirate organisation.

It is far easier to create a new logo and fill it with positive content than to try to clean the present mess with the sharks and the kiddies aboard.


Antonio.


> From: loic.grobol at gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:07:11 +0200
> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] pirate logo copyright
> 
> On 10 June 2013 13:38, Eduardo Robles Elvira <edulix at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Jean Fleury <jean.fleury at yopmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear Pirates,
> >>
> >> Following no discussion and to everybody's surprise, we of the high french
> >> pirate council have decided to copyright the name Parti Pirate and the black
> >> sail logo with the INPI (inpi.fr). pic.twitter.com/MCk34aEfmA
> >>
> >> We will not tolerate forks or ideological disagreement amongst us.
> >>
> >> Ahoy,
> >> Jean Fleury
> >
> >
> > The sarcastic tone of Jean's email here (and previous one) makes me think he
> > is trying to criticize the french pirate council for those alledged actions.
> > Or maybe the council itself is doing this as a way to do some kind of
> > virus-marketing campaign spread among pirate movement.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Eduardo
> >
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> 
> Hi
> This mail from “Jean Fleury” is essentially FUD. Here are the facts
> 
>   - As acted in the board meeting of 2013-05-28, PPFR has registered a
> trademark on “Parti Pirate”, “PP” and “PPFR” and our national logo
>     - [Board minutes](https://wiki.partipirate.org/wiki/BN:Compte-rendu_de_la_r%C3%A9union_du_Bureau_National_du_28_mai_2013#D.C3.A9p.C3.B4t_de_la_marque_.22Parti_Pirate.22)
>     - [Registration at
> INPI](http://bases-marques.inpi.fr/Typo3_INPI_Marques/getPdf?idObjet=3996711_201318_fmark)
> 
> This has been debated transparently among the board and any French
> Pirate (and since almost everything we do is public on our wiki,
> effectively anyone) could have been informed of it. Nevertheless,
> there are some (not entirely unjustified) complains that Pirates have
> not had enough information on this issue, and there are [extensive
> debates among us on our (again, public)
> forum](http://forum.partipirate.org/discussions/marque-parti-pirate-deposee-inpi-t10767.html).
> 
> There have also been proposals to make a common trademark
> registrations with all interested PP at WIPO.
> 
> THIS IS NOT MEANT AS AN OFFENSIVE WEAPON. We just wanted to protect
> our party from hijacking by malvolent individuals or organisations (as
> have already happened in other countries). We won't ever use it to
> harm any other organisation that is not obviously a scam only meant to
> discredit or harm us.
> 
> LG
> 
> --
> Loïc Grobol.
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