[pp.int.general] Formal complaint about the administration/moderation of PPI mailing lists

[Josef Ohlsson Collentine]

It's hard to make a "formal complaint" about an informal mail list. As far
as I'm aware PPI has nothing to do with the moderation of this list. It was
an international list set up many years ago (I believe before or just when
PPI was created) by PPSE. Thus it's hosted by PPSE and currently the list
is run by rick at piratpartiet.se, richie at
webhackande.se<pp.international.general-owner at lists.pirateweb.net>

Thus it probably makes more sense complaining directly to them. I know in
the past there's been a big "no-moderation at all costs" approach on this
list but I agree with Kenneth that some is needed. I'm still on list
because there's no other place and sometimes the things discussed are
interesting even if it's rare.

There are way too many personal attacks, repeated discussions and one word
responses  (e.g. the 'lol' response to Kenneth) that adds nothing to the
discussion and obliterates a lot of the interesting conversations. With the
negative atmosphere on this list there are many people that avoid
discussing here because they know that it will seldom lead to a good
constructive conversation. If the persons responsible for running this list
don't act by changing something I suggest that people interested in
constructive conversations move to another place. Would prefer that we all
stayed here and just changed the rules on the list though.

One alternative is trying to make http://www.reddit.com/r/PirateParty/ into
a place to discuss international pirate news. Another is opening up a new
mail-list with rules for keeping down the noise and keeping the quality of
conversations up. If there is an interest and nothing happens to this list
Pirate Times might do a new mail-list to discuss the news we post as well
as other topics that might become future news.

Suggested moderation for posts:
* personal attacks
* one word responses (adds nothing but noise to conversations)
* off-topic replies (start a new thread instead)
* repeated issues (no point discussing the same thing twice if no new info
has come to light)
* (any others?)

-> people breaking these rules can be warned first and then set on
mod-status and admins need to approve each message by them or just kicked
off list if they continuously break rules.

Kindly,
Josef

p.s. these are my personal opinions and do not reflect PPSE or Pirate Times.


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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 22:50:42 +0200
> From: <kenneth at pirata.cat>
> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
>         <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>,
>         <co-chairmen at pp-international.net>, <board at pp-international.net>,
>         <coa at pp-international.net>
> Subject: [pp.int.general] FORMAL COMPLAINT ABOUT THE
>         ADMINISTRATION/MODERATION OF PPI MAILING LISTS
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> For months we've been flooded by mails from a bunch of guys with too much
> spare time, working towards their own private agenda, without any kind of
> support from their respective parties.
>
> This is fucking unacceptable.
>
> I am really angry with whoever is responsible for this mailing list.
>
>
> These people are REGULARLY BULLING AND HARASSING OTHER PIRATES, and NOBODY
> DOES A FUCKING THING IN ORDER TO STOP THIS:
>
> I am one of the regularly insulted ones, and this is gonna be my crusade
> until something is done.
>
>
> Options/Alternatives:
>
> - Push away people disturbing this mailing list (people without any kind
> of support from their respective parties)
> - Create a new (open) mailing list where ONLY PEOPLE AUTHORIZED BY THEIR
> RESPECTIVE PARTIES CAN JOIN
>
>
> Otherwise this isn't the place where we could talk, share, coordinate and
> make anything at all, and I loved the time when we could did so here
> (remember Wikileaks-TF or MENA-countries-TF?).
>
>
> This is a formal complaint, and I want a formal reply from Bureau and CoA
> at least.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Kenneth Peiruza
>
>
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