[pp.int.general] [Pp-ops] Anti-PRISM status, todos, media / petition?

[illunatic at greenpirate.org]

I totally agree with Zbigniew. The focus should remain on NSA spying  
instead of Snowden which mostly serves as a distraction until it is  
time to revisit the issue of how the US treats whistleblowers. As I  
just said in a more lengthy response to the thread "snowden in  
island?", NSA spying on the communications of our leaders is a much  
more pressing issue deserving of our immediate focus.

Quoting Zbigniew Łukasiak <zzbbyy at gmail.com>:

> On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 9:51 PM, Daniel Riaño <danielrr2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I think the way to go is this:
>>
>> "We all are Snowden"
>>
>> The Snowden case is a touchstone and the implications are huge. Big
>> brother makes himself bigger and bigger everyday and if we are not
>> able to support the cause of this man who risked his life to stand for
>> the rights of each and everyone of us we deserve nothing.
>>
>> Yes we need to gain non Pirate support for the cause and I think we
>> should think of this mobilization campaign as something at least as
>> wide in support as anti-ACTA mobilizations, if not wider.
>
> I believe that the key here is that now foreign secret services have
> more power over our politicians than we, the people that elect them,
> have.  Der Spiegel have noticed this:
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/jakob-augstein-data-spying-programs-threaten-german-security-a-907577.html
>  and this is an angle that we can use to build a very wide coalition
> around this case.
>
>
> --
> Zbigniew
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2013/6/25 Christopher Clay <c3o at piratenpartei.at>:
>>> We now have 18 Pirate Parties on board and 11 translations online.
>>>
>>> A press kit is being assembled at https://prism.titanpad.com/presskit
>>> – needs help!
>>>
>>> PP-DE advised against building our own signable petition because Anke
>>> Domscheit-Berg (Pirate candidate, former open government lobbyist) is
>>> starting one at change.org already – Pad:
>>> https://anked.piratenpad.de/Petition20
>>>
>>> I have some concerns about Change.org (US company, Safe Harbor rules
>>> apply to them which we criticize), but she says they can mobilize
>>> masses, a petition will be started there regardless of our decision,
>>> and a majority of those attending yesterday's Mumble meeting supported
>>> this approach (all were PP-DE members though).
>>>
>>> The plan was also to gain non-Pirate support for the petition. The 6
>>> points have been shortened and simplified for that purpose, and no
>>> mention is made of the Pirates. The petition is vaguely intended to
>>> start mobilization for ACTA-like protests or other initiatives
>>> (European Citizens' Initiaitive?) to follow in a few weeks.
>>> However EDRi (http://edri.org) has already indicated that they cannot
>>> support the petition (or any protests) – they are taking more of an
>>> "EU insider role", fear being too closely associated with Pirates and
>>> are also weary of Change.org
>>>
>>> I'm now unsure how to progress on this, but tend towards going along
>>> with Ankes plan.
>>>
>>> Share buttons are still missing, sorry :(
>>>
>>> --
>>> Christopher Clay alias c3o
>>> Piratenpartei Österreichs · Mitglied des Bundesvorstands
>>> +43 676 7701784 · http://twitter.com/c3o · http://blog.c3o.org
>>>
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