[pp.int.general] Pirates and the 5 Star Movement

[Jelena Jovanovic]

On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Eduardo Robles Elvira <edulix at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Rick Falkvinge (Piratpartiet)
> <rick.falkvinge at piratpartiet.se> wrote:
> >> I am all for internal democracy but it is a difficult game to play,
> >> with some learning required.
> >
> > It is crucial to remember that internal democracy is not and was never
> > our goal. It is a method to reach our goal. A process. One of many.
> >
> > Our goal is to reform legislation to resonate with our values.
>
> Hello:
>
> When you talk about "our goal", are you talking about your national
> party or the pirate movement? I find this wording confusing, and I
> think that in many pirate parties "our goal" is also to have internal
> democracy, ie. practice what you preach. Many pirate parties are using
> internally liquid feedback and other democracy tools internally to
> promote this kind of goal.
>
>
I guess some of us are "Pirate" part, others  are "party".
I don't understand either how swarm openness and transparency "because of
its long term efficiency" can go without internal democracy.
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