[pp.int.general] Formal protest from Pirate Party Australia

[José Manuel Goig]

Hi,

My suggestion on what PPI should do in this matter.

1. As the vote of giving PP-CAT full membership was against established
rules, PP-CAT full membership should be revoked and changed its status to
observer member.

2. PPI rules should be reformed to add this new situation of regional
independent parties inside one country.

3. New vote to give PP-CAT full membership again, following new established
rules.

4. We all learn from this, and gain experience for the future.

Of course, these steps should be done as soon as possible.

Salut!
El 11/03/2013 11:46, "HerNenya" <hernenya at gmail.com> va escriure:

> Ahoy Pirates,
>
> We (PP-GAL) agree that this is an important issue to discuss seriously
> to straight things in PPI.
>
> Respecting the issues that PP-AU has exposed about PPI's Constitution,
> we think the criteria to choose would be the logical position not
> establish states "UN" as scope for membership in the PPI. We suggest to
> propose a motion to amend the statutes of the PPI stating that the
> suitable criteria is the ability to carry out projects or from
> contesting parliament elections.
>
> Regarding the issues about how to work with remote delegates, we
> completely agree with the proposals stated by PP-AU. Therefore, we have
> nothing else to add to their proposal.
>
> Just remember that this is just an opinion from PP-GAL as our condition
> of a hopefully soon-to-be observer members. We had applied to be
> observer members at the last GA but unfortunately there were not enough
> time to vote our application. So we have no right to vote, and we don't
> think it's necessary to apply to a full membership since the regional
> pirate parties of Spain are finessing the statutes of the Pirate
> Confederation. These documents will be registered at the ministry before
> the next summer.
>
> We (PP-GAL) have applied to membership as observers since all regional
> parties in Spain include in our respective statutes that we are going to
> confederate only with other registered Pirate Parties which also are
> members of PPI. That is one the main reasons to our application in PPI.
> You'll hear from other regional Pirate Parties of Spain to apply to get
> this kind of membership soon.
>
> PP-ES has a lots of internal problems since the beginning. One of their
> main problems, the old statutes that were impossible to work with, is
> already solved, but the problem of constant trolling has become really
> nasty these last years not only internally but also here in PPI as you
> have already seen it.
>
> The last board and CoA of PP-ES tried hard to settle this problem too
> without success since some of the trolls were occupying strategic
> positions in PR, in the board and in the PP-ES CoA. The situation this
> year is worse than ever since the current board has not covered all the
> members they require because no one else wants to deal with this
> problem. Besides, trolls are still occupying positions in PR, and the
> board. There is not CoA running at the moment as far as I know.
>
> We (all the regional pirate parties of Spain, including PP-CAT) wanted
> PP-ES be a part of the Confederation we are developing since the
> beginning. All regional parties are working just fine for a year in
> projects that affects to us all, but trolls in PP-ES always block any
> kind of PP-ES participation with us in any project. This situation is so
> serious to the point trolls are avoiding PP-ES's assembly to vote to say
> 'yes' or 'no' to be a part of the Confederation. This is happening for a
> whole year. We still do not know at this moment if they are going to
> launch that poll at all.
>
> All the spaniard pirates that want to work seriously have realized
> during the last years that the only way to be able to work to spread the
> Pirate Ideology and to work efficiently in projects to help the
> situation in Spain, is to be independent in our respective countries and
> work together under the umbrella of a Confederation. We are now 5
> regional parties, and we know that there are two more groups preparing
> their own statutes to be registered this year. If we are going to be at
> the end 17 regional pirate parties working together at the
> confederation, so be it. If it is the only way to get good results at
> the end, we see nothing wrong with that. It is much better to work from
> bottom-up to top-down.
>
> PP-CAT has said several times that their vote as full membership is
> going to be forwarded to the Spanish Confederation. If PP-ES had willed
> to Confederate with us in the first place, and had worked seriously as a
> political party, nothing of this mess would have happened. For further
> details, please contact us in a private message since it is not our
> intention to start a flame here.
>
> It is really sad for us to get to this point. Also it upset us deeply
> the constant attacks from PP-ES trolls to any PP-CAT members who dare to
> say anything at this mailing list as any pirate's voice. This kind of
> behaviour is despicable.
>
> We are sorry that you have not seen much activity from PP-GAL
> internationally. There are a lot of stuff to face and we are few people
> working daily, so we had to establish priorities in order to get the
> urgent things done on time. Fabian Plaza is sending reports regularly to
> Pirate Times of the projects we are approaching, and our intention
> is that he will be our International Coordinator as soon as he is ready.
> At that time, you'll hear from us more often.
>
> Meantime, we have voted that Muriel Rovira from PP-CAT is going to be
> our delegate in PP-EU bussiness as the Confederation delegate. The rest
> of the regional parties already registered have voted positively the
> same subject. We trust completely in her and her work.
>
> This is regarding the situation in Spain as PP-GAL's point of view. We
> hope things are clearer regarding to our intentions and our procedures.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Isabel Fernandez.
> GPG Key EA63DF8E
> International Coordinator of PP-GAL
> PR Coordinator of PP-GAL
> Secretary General of PP-GAL
> www.piratasdegalicia.org
>
> On 10/03/13 06:13, Simon Frew wrote:
> > Below is an official mail sent to the Board of PPI.
> >
> > We have yet to receive any sort of acknowledgement that it was received
> or
> > discussed by the Board. So in the interests of transparency I thought the
> > best course of action was to post it to the general discussion list as
> the
> > formal means of communication seem to be failing.
> >
> > Greetings
> >
> > I am writing on behalf of Pirate Party Australia to lodge a formal
> protest
> > concerning the conduct of the previous two Pirate Party International
> > General Assemblies and the malaise it has caused within our organisation.
> >
> > The problem is exacerbated by the lack of response to the resignation of
> > the Court of Arbitration. The CoA should be working to address the root
> > causes of the in-fighting that is a feature of the PPI discussion lists
> > over the last months and could provide added insight into these feuds and
> > to help bring them to a resolution.
> >
> > The threat to sue the CoA illustrates problems within PPI. The
> Constitution
> > is being routinely ignored. The threat itself demonstrates a lack of
> > respect for the rules governing the International. How can an
> organisation
> > function when a body elected to apply the constitution is threatened with
> > Lawyers when they make a decision a member Party doesn't like?
> >
> > The Constitution states that only one member be allowed from each
> country,
> > yet we have two parties from Spain. From a historical perspective this is
> > an understandable decision, so it raises the need to address this in the
> > Constitution as the decision itself is unconstitutional.
> >
> > The above examples show a disregard for the statutes and decision making
> > processes agreed upon at the first GA. It is perfectly fine to radically
> > change the statutes if the current model is not working, it is not fine
> to
> > ignore it when its inconvenient. This sort of disregard of due process is
> > the sort of thing that enables corruption to flourish.
> >
> > The issues that remote delegates experienced at the last General Assembly
> > were hard to stomach because it was largely a re-run of the problems of
> the
> > year before. Remote delegates were ignored, much of the meeting got
> bogged
> > down in process and important resolutions were tabled for a whole year so
> > celebrity speakers could address the meeting. The organisation is not yet
> > fully formed and getting through motions with ample participation and
> > debate should be the first and overriding priority. Everything else is
> just
> > dressing which can come later.
> >
> > Addressing these issues is not a matter of holding a PPI congress outside
> > of Europe, but actually facilitating better participation by remote
> > delegates. Personally, I think the motivation for the GA to be held
> outside
> > of Europe was to make Europeans take remote participation seriously by
> > creating a much greater need for it to function. The cost of sending
> > delegates from Australia would run into the multiple thousands of dollars
> > and is not economically feasible, with this money being much better spent
> > on campaigns. This is not a cost we *must* incur; remote participation
> has
> > a negligible cost and will help out every single Party unable to attend.
> >
> > PPAU holds our annual congresses with a large amount of participation
> > online. Being roughly the size of the EU but much more sparsely
> populated,
> > we had to get online participation right immediately or we risked
> > disenfranchising pretty much everyone not from Sydney or the surrounding
> > areas. Consequently, we'd like to offer the following advice for
> > facilitating better participation in the next PPI GA based on our success
> > at facilitating online participation.
> >
> > The single most important thing is to integrate online participation into
> > the GA. Assigning one person to monitor IRC is not adequate. Every single
> > delegate attending, where they are technically able, should log into IRC
> > and all participate, monitor and share the discussion raised by the
> remote
> > delegates to the real-world meeting.
> >
> > On the technical side it is just a matter of maintaining the streams,
> which
> > need to be easily accessible by people with a low technical
> > proficiency.For example our congress utili
> > ses a cheap & simple audio/video stream combined with web based IRC
> client
> > in one simple web portal. If possible, a projector showing the discussion
> > on a screen for all to see would also work well. If there is an issue
> with
> > people who are not members participating in votes, a password protected
> > link for a specific official channel can be sent to delegates before the
> > GA. Time should be left at the end of each item for lag, people still
> > typing etc. You can get a sense of the amount of lag by the delay in the
> > online comments and wait accordingly.
> >
> > We expect better of Pirate Parties International. An umbrella
> organisation
> > for the world's Pirate Parties needs to embody Pirate principles. We
> expect
> > the organisation to be participatory, not exclusionary. We expect
> > democracy, transparency and accountability, all of which seem to be
> > currently lacking.
> >
> > If this year's GA is not serious about fixing the above problems,
> > theNational Council of
> > PPAU will have no choice but to propose withdrawing from the
> organisation at
> > our next National Congress.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Simon Frew
> >
> > On behalf of Pirate Party Australia
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
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