[pp.int.general] Formal protest from Pirate Party Australia

Wed Mar 13 19:20:45 CET 2013

Oh my.

I guess you think you do your party a service with this one.

It is insofar self-explanatory to anyone with more than two neurons in his craneal cavity... that I won't pull myself down to your level commenting.

Have a nice day.

Antonio.

> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 19:28:38 +0100
> From: kenneth at pirata.cat
> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Formal protest from Pirate Party Australia
> 
> On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:32:10 +0000, Antonio Garcia
> <ningunotro at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > It's very hard to achieve... as long as you insist on being the pain in
> > everybodies ass.
> > 
> > And it seems you run out of rational arguments real soon and have to
> > resort to emotional crap and populist bulshit.
> >
> 
> IMO, it's not us who refer to emotional crap, but you, Antonio.
> 
> For someone being a member of PP-ES's bureau (with just 2 votes but a
> bureau member), your behaviour is simply unacceptable. I can't imagine what
> kind of blubber would you do at PP-ES if I ever called you half of what you
> call me in one single day.
> 
> We've stated plenty of logical and practical arguments about why not
> belonging to PP-ES, however, your hate to Catalan people simply blinds your
> mind. I know you have personal traumas with catalan people (is it true that
> your brother died whilst he had a Catalan girlfriend? ), probably that's
> the real point behind your hatred, and nothing else really matters.
> 
> We had explained several times strong logical arguments, based on the
> sociology of the Catalan society and its preferences for political options.
> Just a brief reminder of some of the key points:
> 
> 1) Key figures of PP-ES were former members of Spanish-Nationalist
> conservative Party (Partido Popular), the heir of Franco's fascist
> dictatorship, and from a radical Spanish-nationalist NPO. That's simply a
> suicide in a Catalan election, where less than 9% of the population votes
> that party, and more than 80% openly admits that they HATE that party. So,
> it's illogical to run for election with PP-ES in Catalonia, right?
> 
> 2) Catalan population is 55% in favour of Independance and 35% against.
> 73% of Catalan voters voted for a Catalan party in the last elections, both
> secessionists and unionists. The remaining 27% of vote was shared between
> the Spanish Social Democrats (PSOE) and Spanish Conservatives (PP), with a
> campaign budget of above 4M €. Even people against independence is
> massively voting a Catalan-unionist party (Ciutadans). So, Catalan people
> prefers to vote for a Catalan party, no matter if they are secessionists or
> unionists or neither. Should we run for elections as Partido Pirata and
> fight for PP and PSOE's voters? just for you to know, PP/PSOE voters have
> an average age above 60 years old: illogical to try to get into that
> market, right?
> 
> 3) Decentralization of decision making and organization has been shown the
> most successful way for Pirates to succeed in big countries. So far, just
> PP-DE did so, and they have a decentralized model that PP-ES refuses to
> accept at all. In fact, PP-ES forbid its members in Catalonia to have a
> website in Catalan language three years ago, because "maybe we will not be
> able to understand what its written in  the website!". That paranoia and
> control requirements are unproductive and burn volunteers.
> 
> 4) We (the confederacy members) believe that all we must be free to choose
> whatever we want whenever it's not against the pirate ideology. I hope we'd
> be able to agree on this point, otherwise you're just a totalitarian
> fascist and there's nothing else to deal.
> 
> 
> 5) Last time PP-ES made a poll about if PP-ES might run for election in
> Catalonia, 97% of your members voted that they prefered us to run for
> election in Catalonia instead of PP-ES (I guess everyone but Pedro Gracia
> xDDD, because there was just 1 vote against it). So, isn't it illogical to
> act against the desires of your own people?
> 
> 6) Just for your information, PP-CAT was created with all the former
> Catalan members of PP-ES but one (10)+ 25 guys that didn't wanted to belong
> to a Spanish party (you know, those weird Catalan guys!!!). Only one member
> of PP-ES didn't joined us, and that's the one who cooperated with the
> DELETION OF MEMBERS FAVOURABLE TO A PERMANENT AGREEMENT WITH PP-CAT. This
> has been demonstrated by the former president and treasurer of PP-ES
> (Ultano Peña and Amparo Peiró), after realizing that "The Pedros" even
> deleted one bureau member that had it's membership fee paid until 2014. I
> was also deleted by them, and Ultano apologized for such a thing (which was
> not his fault at all, as he became the president 1 year afterwards). Just
> for the record, the guys who deleted "annoying people" were Pedro Gracia
> and Pedro Montmany, whilst Francisco George was supporting them, 2 PP-ES's
> bureaus ago.
> 
> 7) Some facts: we grew from 0 to > 1000 in 2 years, you shrinked from 2007
> to date. We do stuff, you don't, we keep on growing, you keep on shrinking.
> You attack us, we ignore you, you don't let your assembly to vote on topics
> some people (the 4 trolls, you included) don't like, we let anyone to open
> a vote on anything which is not against human rights. And people keeps on
> leaving your party and joining the pirate confederacy... Logically
> speaking, who's demonstrating a more productive, healthy, transparent and
> democratic behaviour? yes, we do.
> 
> 
> And now just for fun :)
> 
> Thank you for forwarding my yesterday's email to your own party's mailing
> lists, maybe your comment saying that anyone who still wished to become a
> member of the confederacy must be killed by impalement wasn't appropiated,
> however, you only behave in that way, even in your own party, so I can
> understand it.
> 
> You got some replies, and looks like anyone but the 4 typical PP-ES trolls
> agreed with most of my points: you are a troll, and we
> (PP-CAT/GAL/EXT/RIO/MAD Confederacy) are the only ones doing stuff in
> Spain, whilst PP-ES does nothing. Even someone from PP-ES stated that your
> activity last year was just 1 single post in your blog, which is terribly
> sad to see. Then... again logicaly speaking... can you teach us anything at
> all but how not to work?
> 
> Please, analyze yourself a little bit before blaming/insulting other
> people. You will find what almost everyone else can see even in your party:
> your "überlogic" sucks.
> 
> I know you have a big image of yourself, that you believe that you're very
> clever, far above the rest of us. Please, let me tell you something, you
> überman, come back to real world: we've plenty of people in the
> confederacy, and a lot of them have IQs above 140. We don't agree on many
> things, but we do it on the Pirate things and on something else: you might
> have some kind of serious mental problems for your behaviour, your
> misogynia and for still being 48 years old and still virgin, and/or that
> you're payed by someone to sabotage the pirate movement in Spain.
> 
> And another thing... I'm an IT guy, you know it, but I was also one of the
> top Spanish students of my promotion and I won the bronze medal in the
> Chemistry Olympiad. That sounds too much conceited for my taste, but IMO
> you deserve a reality bite.
> 
> So... even if you were übersmart, I don't feel impressed by you at all.
> One of the best things I've learned in my life is to be humble, because
> even the most insificant and illiterate countryman knows things that I
> don't know, and makes plenty of things way better than I do. Think about
> it, it has plenty of logic :) Otherwise, we'll keep on thinking that you're
> grotesque.
> 
> PS: honour damage is a punishable fault under Spanish law, and when a
> fault/offence is done with political motivation, that enters under
> terrorism law. Motivators face up to 7 years in jail, with no penalty
> reductions. This mailing list's archive is publicly accessible and indexed
> in search engines. Guess who's gonna be contacted to go to court for
> calling people bribbers, thieves, blackmailers and so on soon if he doesn't
> stop acting like a moron :)
> 
> If you have some REAL logic, you'll be able to know who :)
> 
> 
> Have a nice and logical day,
> 
> Kenneth
> ____________________________________________________
> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.pirateweb.net/pipermail/pp.international.general/attachments/20130313/e7a9957f/attachment-0001.html>