[pp.int.general] Fwd: [liberationtech] Neelie Kroes: "Internet Governance: I want your views!"

Aurélien DESBRIÈRES aurelien at xload.io
Sun Oct 13 06:32:29 CEST 2013

"Smartphone are the Stalin's dream"--RMS

Why should we not take part of this conversation?

The Pirate Party have been created for a part because of that spy habits
that have some people to not trust their people.

We have to get part of the discussion and bring the discussion to the
true, that first of all if United Nations decide to make the job they
will have:
. first give all a Human Earth Passport. 
. offer to UNESCO all servers they need to share all form of knowledge
arround the world for free in price and freedom (including music and
. offer the warranty of freedom to all on the network and sufficient
cryptographic solution to not be track by his own governement nor
. abolish privative licenses
. + add your ideas ...

We have to use that opportunity to get a place at the United Nations, to
make what we have to do, the things that is why we have join the Pirate

"Everything is doxed", is it a reason to do nothing? to offer our data
easely by using gmail and google service or microsoft or apple stuff?

Maybe when RMS say "Free Software, Free Society!" it's not just a trick
of words.

Is it because "Everythang's Corrupt" --Ice Cube that we do not have to
do anymore things ?


Jelena Jovanovic <jelena.the.one at gmail.com> writes:

> " We have heard about massive surveillance operations by secret
> services, "
> come on, everything is doxed.
> I don't believe we can help them without giving them legitimacy for
> terrible things that will happen with internet governance 
> Having in mind that Nellie Kroes really believes that UN should
> regulate the internet, I advise not to take part in this conversation. 
> THEY HAVE HEARD. Seriously? 
> Give my best regards to Dgt Agenda and make them do their own
> research. After all they are payed for that. 
> where to starz - hint: European Court for Human Rights 
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Scott Elcomb <psema4 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>     Copy & Seed :)
>     - Scott
>     ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>     From: <Andrea.GLORIOSO at ec.europa.eu>
>     Date: Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 9:13 AM
>     Subject: [liberationtech] Neelie Kroes: "Internet Governance: I
>     want your views!"
>     To: Andrea.GLORIOSO at ec.europa.eu
>     [ Apologies if you receive duplicates. Please do share this
>     message widely ]
>     Dear colleagues, dear friends,
>     I would like to share with you the recent blog post by Neelie
>     Kroes, Vice President of the European Commission and Commissioner
>     for the Digital Agenda, on Internet Governance.
>     The blog post is accessible at
>     http://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/kroes/en/content/internet-
>     governance-i-want-your-views and also reproduced below for ease of
>     reference. Vice-President Kroes highlights some of her key
>     thoughts on the main challenges for the governance of the Internet
>     and calls upon everyone to share their views on how the Internet
>     should be governed and what Europe's role should be. Such online
>     engagement will take place via the Digital Agenda website at
>     https://ec.europa.eu/digital-agenda/en/content/europe-and-internet-
>     global-context. 
>     Importantly, as part of this online engagement a discussion paper
>     was produced and put online at
>     https://ec.europa.eu/digital-agenda/sites/digital-agenda/files/131007%20public%20questions%20formatted.
>     pdf.
>     I would encourage all of you to express your views.
>     +++
>     Internet Governance: I want your views! 
>     Published by Neelie KROES on Wednesday, 09/10/2013 
>     As digital agenda commissioner I have long fought hard to keep the
>     Internet driving positive change - helping Europe's economy and
>     society. And now we are asking for your views on internet
>     governance.
>     I have fought especially hard for an open Internet. As a network
>     of networks, no one person or country owns the Internet, but we do
>     need a clear set of rules that everybody needs to play by. I have
>     defended such rules at international conferences on the Internet,
>     most recently at the Internet Governance Forum in Baku – and, in
>     particular, resisted attempts by others to push for significant
>     increases to the scope of International Telecoms Regulations at
>     the recent WCIT meeting in Dubai.
>     But since then a lot of things have happened. We have heard about
>     massive surveillance operations by secret services, within Europe
>     as well as the US. Of course we are extremely concerned by what
>     that means for personal data protection. But this also has deep
>     implications for the governance of the Internet. It is clearly
>     influencing how some international partners are thinking. And it
>     is even more important now that we agree on common principles for
>     Internet governance, and how decisions are made in all
>     Internet-related matters.
>     This autumn will be crucial in many ways. In Europe, I am
>     proposing ambitious measures to bring down barriers within our
>     connected continent. That's a priority for me, and a priority for
>     our economic future, which I hope EU leaders will take seriously
>     at their forthcoming summit.
>     But, at the same time as we bring those barriers down, I want to
>     avoid new ones going up. Later this month, Internet world leaders
>     are meeting at the Internet Governance Forum in Bali. I am sorry
>     that, for the first time, I cannot be there in person myself. But
>     I would like to contribute, both to make clear how closely and
>     seriously we are watching this debate, and to stress the
>     importance of having a clear and robust framework for Internet
>     Governance and policy-making as soon as possible.
>     As it stands today, the conclusions of the World Summit on the
>     Information Society (WSIS) are the only international-level
>     political agreement on Internet governance; and they are the
>     subject of several consultations. Particularly important among
>     those consultations are the discussions in the "WSIS+10"
>     High-Level Event, and the UN Working Group on Enhanced
>     Cooperation; I hope many of you will be contributing.
>     The Internet is increasingly the forum for so much of our lives;
>     from transacting through commerce or banking; to interacting
>     through social networks; to communicating with governments or
>     pushing for democratic change. It's clear to me that the Internet
>     is a European strategic domain – and, although the internet is a
>     different kind of place to the "real world", our stance towards it
>     should be underpinned by just the same values, priorities and
>     interests as everything else.
>     This digital age needs a new social contract. Decisions that
>     affect the Internet shouldn't be taken just by politicians,
>     companies or technicians alone, without any reference to common
>     principles.
>     So I believe that the new social contract must be based on sound
>     principles. My starting point here are those in the Compact I
>     first floated a couple of years ago; like that the Internet should
>     remain open, unified, pro-democratic, enabling trust and
>     confidence, and based on transparent, multi-stakeholder
>     governance. Recent news shows just how fragile this balance of
>     values can be; important efforts to tackle terrorist threats
>     cannot be at the expense of fundamental freedoms.
>     But we also must have a clearer view of what we mean when we speak
>     of "multi-stakeholder processes". I worry that without a clear
>     definition, everyone will claim that their decision processes are
>     inclusive and transparent, when in practice they are not – as was
>     shown recently, when the Governmental Advisory Committee of ICANN
>     pressed on regardless - in spite of the EU's legitimate concerns
>     on new domain names.
>     As you may have seen, Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff recently
>     set out her strong belief in multi-lateral cooperation as a basis
>     for Internet governance. I am looking forward to seeing further
>     details – but in principle I very much support that line. Plus,
>     our future Global Internet Policy Observatory will help give a
>     more balanced view of how the Internet should be governed. And I
>     know many of these issues will also be discussed in Bali.
>     But I want to take this seriously. These are my thoughts: but I
>     want yours too; your ideas on how the Internet should be governed
>     and what Europe's role should be.
>     For the next four weeks, please share your views on the dedicated
>     web page.
>     +++
>     Best,
>     --
>     Andrea Glorioso (Mr)
>     European Commission - DG Communication Networks, Content and
>     Technology
>     Unit D1 (International relations) + Task Force on Internet Policy
>     Development
>     Avenue de Beaulieu 25 (4/64) / B-1049 / Brussels / Belgium
>     T: +32-2-29-97682 M: +32-460-797-682 E:
>     Andrea.Glorioso at ec.europa.eu
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