[pp.int.general] Fwd: [liberationtech] Neelie Kroes: "Internet Governance: I want your views!"

Jelena Jovanovic jelena.the.one at gmail.com
Mon Oct 14 11:38:20 CEST 2013


not in the mood for shilly talks

sry.

we have MEPs who can talk to Dgt Agenda, I don't see any reason to
volunteer as researcher for them. Yes everything is online.


Brgds



On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 6:32 AM, Aurélien DESBRIÈRES <aurelien at xload.io> wrote:
>
> "Smartphone are the Stalin's dream"--RMS
>
> Why should we not take part of this conversation?
>
> The Pirate Party have been created for a part because of that spy habits
> that have some people to not trust their people.
>
> We have to get part of the discussion and bring the discussion to the
> true, that first of all if United Nations decide to make the job they
> will have:
> . first give all a Human Earth Passport.
> . offer to UNESCO all servers they need to share all form of knowledge
> arround the world for free in price and freedom (including music and
> movie)
> . offer the warranty of freedom to all on the network and sufficient
> cryptographic solution to not be track by his own governement nor
> anyother.
> . abolish privative licenses
> . + add your ideas ...
>
> We have to use that opportunity to get a place at the United Nations, to
> make what we have to do, the things that is why we have join the Pirate
> Party.
>
> "Everything is doxed", is it a reason to do nothing? to offer our data
> easely by using gmail and google service or microsoft or apple stuff?
>
> Maybe when RMS say "Free Software, Free Society!" it's not just a trick
> of words.
>
> Is it because "Everythang's Corrupt" --Ice Cube that we do not have to
> do anymore things ?
>
> --
> aurelien
>
>
> Jelena Jovanovic <jelena.the.one at gmail.com> writes:
>
>> " We have heard about massive surveillance operations by secret
>> services, "
>>
>> come on, everything is doxed.
>>
>> I don't believe we can help them without giving them legitimacy for
>> terrible things that will happen with internet governance
>>
>> Having in mind that Nellie Kroes really believes that UN should
>> regulate the internet, I advise not to take part in this conversation.
>>
>> THEY HAVE HEARD. Seriously?
>>
>> Give my best regards to Dgt Agenda and make them do their own
>> research. After all they are payed for that.
>>
>> where to starz - hint: European Court for Human Rights
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Scott Elcomb <psema4 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>     Copy & Seed :)
>>
>>     - Scott
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>     From: <Andrea.GLORIOSO at ec.europa.eu>
>>     Date: Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 9:13 AM
>>     Subject: [liberationtech] Neelie Kroes: "Internet Governance: I
>>     want your views!"
>>     To: Andrea.GLORIOSO at ec.europa.eu
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     [ Apologies if you receive duplicates. Please do share this
>>     message widely ]
>>
>>     Dear colleagues, dear friends,
>>
>>     I would like to share with you the recent blog post by Neelie
>>     Kroes, Vice President of the European Commission and Commissioner
>>     for the Digital Agenda, on Internet Governance.
>>
>>     The blog post is accessible at
>>     http://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/kroes/en/content/internet-
>>     governance-i-want-your-views and also reproduced below for ease of
>>     reference. Vice-President Kroes highlights some of her key
>>     thoughts on the main challenges for the governance of the Internet
>>     and calls upon everyone to share their views on how the Internet
>>     should be governed and what Europe's role should be. Such online
>>     engagement will take place via the Digital Agenda website at
>>     https://ec.europa.eu/digital-agenda/en/content/europe-and-internet-
>>     global-context.
>>
>>     Importantly, as part of this online engagement a discussion paper
>>     was produced and put online at
>>     https://ec.europa.eu/digital-agenda/sites/digital-agenda/files/131007%20public%20questions%20formatted.
>>     pdf.
>>
>>     I would encourage all of you to express your views.
>>
>>     +++
>>
>>     Internet Governance: I want your views!
>>
>>     Published by Neelie KROES on Wednesday, 09/10/2013
>>     As digital agenda commissioner I have long fought hard to keep the
>>     Internet driving positive change - helping Europe's economy and
>>     society. And now we are asking for your views on internet
>>     governance.
>>     I have fought especially hard for an open Internet. As a network
>>     of networks, no one person or country owns the Internet, but we do
>>     need a clear set of rules that everybody needs to play by. I have
>>     defended such rules at international conferences on the Internet,
>>     most recently at the Internet Governance Forum in Baku – and, in
>>     particular, resisted attempts by others to push for significant
>>     increases to the scope of International Telecoms Regulations at
>>     the recent WCIT meeting in Dubai.
>>     But since then a lot of things have happened. We have heard about
>>     massive surveillance operations by secret services, within Europe
>>     as well as the US. Of course we are extremely concerned by what
>>     that means for personal data protection. But this also has deep
>>     implications for the governance of the Internet. It is clearly
>>     influencing how some international partners are thinking. And it
>>     is even more important now that we agree on common principles for
>>     Internet governance, and how decisions are made in all
>>     Internet-related matters.
>>     This autumn will be crucial in many ways. In Europe, I am
>>     proposing ambitious measures to bring down barriers within our
>>     connected continent. That's a priority for me, and a priority for
>>     our economic future, which I hope EU leaders will take seriously
>>     at their forthcoming summit.
>>     But, at the same time as we bring those barriers down, I want to
>>     avoid new ones going up. Later this month, Internet world leaders
>>     are meeting at the Internet Governance Forum in Bali. I am sorry
>>     that, for the first time, I cannot be there in person myself. But
>>     I would like to contribute, both to make clear how closely and
>>     seriously we are watching this debate, and to stress the
>>     importance of having a clear and robust framework for Internet
>>     Governance and policy-making as soon as possible.
>>     As it stands today, the conclusions of the World Summit on the
>>     Information Society (WSIS) are the only international-level
>>     political agreement on Internet governance; and they are the
>>     subject of several consultations. Particularly important among
>>     those consultations are the discussions in the "WSIS+10"
>>     High-Level Event, and the UN Working Group on Enhanced
>>     Cooperation; I hope many of you will be contributing.
>>     The Internet is increasingly the forum for so much of our lives;
>>     from transacting through commerce or banking; to interacting
>>     through social networks; to communicating with governments or
>>     pushing for democratic change. It's clear to me that the Internet
>>     is a European strategic domain – and, although the internet is a
>>     different kind of place to the "real world", our stance towards it
>>     should be underpinned by just the same values, priorities and
>>     interests as everything else.
>>     This digital age needs a new social contract. Decisions that
>>     affect the Internet shouldn't be taken just by politicians,
>>     companies or technicians alone, without any reference to common
>>     principles.
>>     So I believe that the new social contract must be based on sound
>>     principles. My starting point here are those in the Compact I
>>     first floated a couple of years ago; like that the Internet should
>>     remain open, unified, pro-democratic, enabling trust and
>>     confidence, and based on transparent, multi-stakeholder
>>     governance. Recent news shows just how fragile this balance of
>>     values can be; important efforts to tackle terrorist threats
>>     cannot be at the expense of fundamental freedoms.
>>     But we also must have a clearer view of what we mean when we speak
>>     of "multi-stakeholder processes". I worry that without a clear
>>     definition, everyone will claim that their decision processes are
>>     inclusive and transparent, when in practice they are not – as was
>>     shown recently, when the Governmental Advisory Committee of ICANN
>>     pressed on regardless - in spite of the EU's legitimate concerns
>>     on new domain names.
>>     As you may have seen, Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff recently
>>     set out her strong belief in multi-lateral cooperation as a basis
>>     for Internet governance. I am looking forward to seeing further
>>     details – but in principle I very much support that line. Plus,
>>     our future Global Internet Policy Observatory will help give a
>>     more balanced view of how the Internet should be governed. And I
>>     know many of these issues will also be discussed in Bali.
>>     But I want to take this seriously. These are my thoughts: but I
>>     want yours too; your ideas on how the Internet should be governed
>>     and what Europe's role should be.
>>     For the next four weeks, please share your views on the dedicated
>>     web page.
>>     +++
>>
>>     Best,
>>
>>     --
>>     Andrea Glorioso (Mr)
>>     European Commission - DG Communication Networks, Content and
>>     Technology
>>     Unit D1 (International relations) + Task Force on Internet Policy
>>     Development
>>     Avenue de Beaulieu 25 (4/64) / B-1049 / Brussels / Belgium
>>     T: +32-2-29-97682 M: +32-460-797-682 E:
>>     Andrea.Glorioso at ec.europa.eu
>>     Twitter: @andreaglorioso
>>     Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/andrea.glorioso
>>     LinkedIn:
>>     http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=1749288&trk=tab_pro
>>
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