[pp.int.general] Google Glass Out of USA

seykron seykron at partidopirata.com.ar
Mon Apr 14 20:30:53 CEST 2014

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The point is not whether technology is "good" or "bad", but where, when
who and why it is developed. Thinking about technology in terms of
simple "progress" is, in my humble opinion, too much naif for this

To block any kind of tech development because it is "bad" is that stupid
as to accept it without criticism because progress is "good". Social
development -in general- and Google Glasses -in particular- are within
an context in which many people have interests for different reasons
(money, prestige, power). Even scientists depend on funds and anyone
involved in research knows that it is necessary to speak about
"something popular" to gather funds. A lot of specialized literature
was written about it, I won't get deep into this topic.

Google Glasses... ok, Google's benefits comes almost exclusively from
Ads -come on, this is the only profitable Internet business by these
days, look into Facebook-. In order to raise benefits, ads must be
targeted as specific as possible to generate more engagement and sales.
With "specific" I mean that Google tends to build (and it does, for
sure) a single real-life identity for each user, with their interests,
circles, emotions, etc. Maybe you're happy with all the advertisement
that helps you to consume all that crap you don't know you need until
it brings just in front of your eyes, but I'm not. And I think that a
society drown by consumption (I am not against the commerce, I would
like to put it clear) is not a nice place to "raise children", because
values and symbols are tightly tied to trivial and empty products
instead of relationships. I think that products are great and I enjoy
my laptop and my ebook reader, but I look at them as simple accessories
and I have not emotions put on them.

That's because I think that Google Glasses does not promote values I
think are important to keep relationships sane and society strong, and
that's because I would block any attempt to change things in my daily
life in favour of that kind of new technology.



On Mon, 14 Apr 2014 13:53:25 -0400
Andrew Norton <ktetch at gmail.com> wrote:

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> On 4/14/2014 1:15 PM, pirate at valio.ch wrote:
> > Oh nice.
> > Established discrimination against cyborgs.
> > Promoted by a "pirate".
> > Don't get me wrong: I don't think we should say cyborgs are always
> > good, without a proper discussion, but neither the opposite,
> > especially as there are very valid cases for humans to become
> > cyborgs (like they are disabled in reference to the "normal" human
> > in some way). Cyborgs will increase in the future and it is
> > certainly an issue to get a position. One that should probably come
> > before promoting slogans like "stop the cyborgs".
> It's not only going to happen, it already is. Think about it this way
> - a lot of features we would have considered 'cyborg' in the 70s and
> 80s are now done, with devices we carry around. the difference is only
> 'implanted' versus 'mounted'. Glass is an example of 'mounted' but you
> can do it with a cellphone (I have an arm-mount for an android device
> for when I'm doing mud-runs, I've used wearable cameras off and on the
> last 15 years)
> Some even goes back further than you think. My main education is in
> robotics, and in 98 I had the chance to study under Professor Kevin
> "captain cyborg" Warrick at the Uni. of Reading's cybernetics
> department. it was too 'bio' for me (my focus is on teleoperation, and
> safety interlock systems) so I went elsewhere but even then, 16 years
> ago, it was 'happening'.
> Also, did you see that nifty little device Snowdon was using a few
> weeks ago, to get around SxSW? DEveloped by a former co-worker of
> mine, and actually started from technology similar to Glass (we first
> tested the system in 99 on a TV show - technology wasn't up to it
> then. Another friend and co-worker from back then now works on the
> Kubi (http://www.revolverobotics.com/) and used to work on designing
> artificial muscles (http://www.artificialmuscle.com/technology.php)
> (when he's not doing crazy things for Burning Man). Hell even my
> eldest kids science teacher, here in rural Georgia, wrote papers on
> this sort of thing back in 2000
> (http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=591894)
> The 'kill the cyborg' mentality is... strange. Considering it's
> basically a stand against technology and progress. It's the attitude
> that gave us the Locomotive act in the UK in 1865, to restrict
> traction engines, and which took 30 years to repeal. It's the same
> mentality that now gives us the DMCA, PRoIP, SOPA/PIPA, the Digital
> Economy Act, HADOPI, ACTA, the TPP and a whole lot more. You know,
> because new technology is 'bad'
> **Disclaimer** I was offered a Glass last year. I declined because a)
> I didn't have $1500 spare, b) I saw no real use for it in my everyday
> life (I don't even have a smartphone) and c) its right eye only, and
> I'm 70% blind in that eye.
> Andrew
> > 
> > -pat
> > 
> > 
> > Zitat von Francisco George <francisco.george at gmail.com>:
> > 
> >> Hi Eduardo,
> >>
> >> I can't see the problem here he is a coach assistant and probably
> >> using the
> >> glasses for the benefits of the club, like following a specific
> >> player so they can correct some problems.
> >>
> >> Soccer are recorded in such many ways Google Glass can be a useful
> >> tool for
> >> the Coach's team.
> >>
> >>
> >> 2014-04-14 0:35 GMT+02:00 <eduardo at partidopirata.com.ar>:
> >>
> >>> Hi, in Spain: "Atlético de Madrid assistant coach Germán 'El Mono'
> >>> Burgos
> >>> took all and sundry by surprise when he was spotted wearing Google
> >>> Glass on
> >>> the bench during the match against Getafe. "
> >>>
> >>> http://www.marca.com/2014/04/13/en/football/spanish_
> >>> football/1397413930.html
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps a campaign against Google Glass like:
> >>>
> >>> http://stopthecyborgs.org/
> >>>
> >>> Best Regards
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