[pp.int.general] Google Glass Out of USA

[seykron]

I agree with the importance of public debate on things that are part of
the political and social agenda. This kind of debate will definitively
build a common pirate identity -I think in piracy more like a social
practice than a strict ideology-, and despite some people think a
political party should be dealing with problems of the "realpolitik", I
believe that PPI can take over the space left empty by classical
political parties, which are now fighting in the economics arena. I
don't know how it is in your countries, but here in Argentina people is
claiming for a "better democracy" or simply "democracy" splitting out
the Republican State from the democratic practice (of course, a lot of
political ideologies are involved, I'm not diving into it).

Some comments on pat proposal:

> I think this debate would be a perfect idea for a public debate on  
> pirate issues between two opponents in order ot foster a topic which  
> almost certainly will affect pirate policies;

Opponents?, it sounds like "enemies trying to make a peace treaty",
which are not :)
Of course, the language could be a problem, a lot of misunderstandings
could raise from people speaking a foreign language and applying their
own language structure (just like me). But I see we are pushing to the
same direction, so let's try to speak and take advantage of our
differences.


> To explain: The idea is that one journalists attempts to moderate
> "as neutrally as possible" in order to minimize flame and ad hominem  
> attack in the discussion which don't foster an overall public pirate  
> debate on the issue at hands.

I think we all are friendly people and we're trying to get close our
positions to build consensus over a topic that's very controversial. So
probably no moderator is needed to look out for neutrality. It is
better to assume good faith from all sides.

> The difference between a discussion on the list and on pirate times  
> would simply be, that this should be more focused and likely has a  
> broader visibility as well.

+1 to document consensus and discussions. But I rather prefer to keep
it by email so everyone can look at the debate in a single place, and
when we reach consensus on the topic we can (I'm assuming the
commitment!) write an article in a pad, to finally publish it on Pirate
Times.

Regards,

Matías


On Tue, 15 Apr 2014 00:23:27 +0000
pirate at valio.ch wrote:

> I agree with Andrew Norton to a large degree and I'm thankful him  
> siding actively with the pro-cyborg site.
> 
> That's not so much the case with eduardo, but that doesn't mean that
> I don't see his point. Pirates should be careful not to embrace all  
> technology as it comes, but rather foster a better world for
> everyone beeing aware of the inevitable technological progress and
> embracing good opportunities, but foremost making society fit to cope
> with them by acting on a political level.
> 
> I agree foremost with Matías.
> That's what I actually intended when I expressed me wanting a proper  
> debate on the issue.
> 
> I think this debate would be a perfect idea for a public debate on  
> pirate issues between two opponents in order ot foster a topic which  
> almost certainly will affect pirate policies; preferably doing that
> on pirate times where the intent to do sth like that was discussed
> just last Saturday in Paris. What do you think
> @Andrew
> @eduardo
> Would you be willing to carry out such a debate if PirateTimes would  
> be willing and ready yet trying to attempt to do this?
> (can also be someone else, as long as they do carry opposite points
> on cyborgs)
> 
> To explain: The idea is that one journalists attempts to moderate
> "as neutrally as possible" in order to minimize flame and ad hominem  
> attack in the discussion which don't foster an overall public pirate  
> debate on the issue at hands. Foremost the weapon of choice should
> be the reasonable argument based on what you personally deem pirate  
> values. Having two opponents doesn't hinder from commenting on the  
> arguments brought forward, but avoids a discussion which dissolves  
> into noise by too many side-discussions.
> The difference between a discussion on the list and on pirate times  
> would simply be, that this should be more focused and likely has a  
> broader visibility as well.
> Also @eduardo you would certainly be helped with English problems. ;)
> 
> Disclaimer: this is a personal stunt. I've been accepted once as
> part of the ppnews team but haven't been very active. This is a
> suggestion out of the blue, without asking for backing by the team
> (it's not an official pirate times suggestion!). We might still have
> to convince some people even if @Andrew and @eduardo would agree :-)
> [but I don't think that there is a hurdle that couldn't be overcome].
> 
> -pat
> 
> 
> 
> Zitat von eduardo at partidopirata.com.ar:
> 
> > My english is so bad. I apologize.
> > I think that we should have had some criticism about technology.
> > All of us knows that Google, Facebook, and others send all the  
> > information to the NSA and so on.
> > So, if anyone is using Google Glass they may be indirectly
> > monitoring us.
> >
> > Here is some about what is happening in San Francisco with Google  
> > and Google Glass:
> >
> > http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/14/tech/mobile/google-glass-attack/index.html?sr=sharebar_facebook
> >
> > And an interest event in London about technology:
> >
> > http://www.theecologist.org/blogs_and_comments/commentators/2356698/its_time_to_get_a_grip_on_technology.html
> >
> > "The issues surrounding powerful new technologies from GMOs to  
> > nuclear power appear disparate, writes David King - but look
> > harder and most are linked by common threads. Key among them are
> > issues of profit, control and socialisation of cost ..."
> >
> > Best Regards
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> 
> 
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