[pp.int.general] LQFB: status quo in Germany // was: liquid feedback papers and/or data?

Francisco George francisco.george at gmail.com
Mon Apr 28 10:41:33 CEST 2014

"Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other
forms that have been tried from time to time." (from a House of Commons
speech on Nov. 11, 1947) . Winston Churchill

Almost some 70 years since this quote things are not getting better, and
surely getting worst.

As Eduardo Robles and I agreed in another debate, and we don't agree on
much usually, tools won't make democracy work better. So the question about
if LQFB is a good or bad tool is senseless.

All the things we have been discussing here depends only of ONE thing...the
Human Factor.

And up till know, except for our friends of PPAr, I couldn't find anyone
reasonably addressing the question.

One day I was surprised by one reasonment made by a Florida OWS activist,
Zoe Alif, that participates in the Pirate Party admins group on FB.

What if PIRATE movement is wrong?

Not on the ideals we defend...but for entering politics.

Her reflection was that by entering into it PIRATES have forgotten about
their social role of educating people about our values.

If we had remained apart of it, there wouldn't be any infights about
gaining power inside the movement or political discourse that would have
diverted us for the main goal EDUCATE.

She said we would have a lot more influence on politics as a social
movement because of our "political neutrality" by spreading our ideals to
the citizenry and have individuals entering political movement to hack them
from the inside.

I know you will tell me that we entered politics just do that from the
inside of actual institutions...but what if we had gone a bridge too
far(reference to the Arnheim battle)...wouldn't the first step be to hack
actual political parties from the inside by spreading our ideals into them.

I leave you with that reflection that by entering politics "a bridge too
far" the political discourse has tampered our ideals.

Have a good day.
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