[pp.int.general] LQFB: status quo in Germany // was: liquid feedback papers and/or data?

Francisco George francisco.george at gmail.com
Mon Apr 28 10:54:24 CEST 2014

By the way...a pity that Argentina is not in Europe ;) I do hope that with
the creation of Europeans Pirates, PPI would be less Europe centered and
look forward for our argentinians friends take a more preemintent role into
El 28/04/2014 10:41, "Francisco George" <francisco.george at gmail.com>

> "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other
> forms that have been tried from time to time." (from a House of Commons
> speech on Nov. 11, 1947) . Winston Churchill
> Almost some 70 years since this quote things are not getting better, and
> surely getting worst.
> As Eduardo Robles and I agreed in another debate, and we don't agree on
> much usually, tools won't make democracy work better. So the question about
> if LQFB is a good or bad tool is senseless.
> All the things we have been discussing here depends only of ONE
> thing...the Human Factor.
> And up till know, except for our friends of PPAr, I couldn't find anyone
> reasonably addressing the question.
> One day I was surprised by one reasonment made by a Florida OWS activist,
> Zoe Alif, that participates in the Pirate Party admins group on FB.
> What if PIRATE movement is wrong?
> Not on the ideals we defend...but for entering politics.
> Her reflection was that by entering into it PIRATES have forgotten about
> their social role of educating people about our values.
> If we had remained apart of it, there wouldn't be any infights about
> gaining power inside the movement or political discourse that would have
> diverted us for the main goal EDUCATE.
> She said we would have a lot more influence on politics as a social
> movement because of our "political neutrality" by spreading our ideals to
> the citizenry and have individuals entering political movement to hack them
> from the inside.
> I know you will tell me that we entered politics just do that from the
> inside of actual institutions...but what if we had gone a bridge too
> far(reference to the Arnheim battle)...wouldn't the first step be to hack
> actual political parties from the inside by spreading our ideals into them.
> I leave you with that reflection that by entering politics "a bridge too
> far" the political discourse has tampered our ideals.
> Have a good day.
> Francisco
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