[pp.int.general] Liquid Democracy - a summary attempt

Antonio Garcia ningunotro at hotmail.com
Mon Apr 28 22:14:57 CEST 2014

Jezus, Carlo, you really live in another world ;).

What we have ALMOST achieved... is called #IDIOCRAZY.


Very hard to fight... and no other democratic exit than long term education... a time we won't get before the world implodes.


> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 22:06:32 +0200
> From: lynX at pirate.my.buttharp.org
> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Liquid Democracy - a summary attempt
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 04:30:01PM -0300, seykron wrote:
> > So I think we have a different faiths. You still believe that a
> > representative democracy could work (and you identify the core problem
> Hmmm... no, I don't believe in representative democracy. I'm a fervent
> opponent of both representative and direct democracy. Both have failed
> humanity on numerous occasions. When was the last time you read about
> the common set of political demands of the worldwide Occupy movement?
> Where is the program that describes how the Occupy movement thinks
> the world economy can be fixed? Occupy practices direct democracy on
> a local level and has no way to produce common resolutions on a
> national, continental or worldwide scale. In fact after few weeks it
> already drove away the majority of interested people, so it quickly
> became the playground of the dominant extroverts. We saw a few of those
> on television - they weren't even intelligent. I sympathise with Occupy.
> I even co-managed the Berlin side of the 15th of something event. That
> single day in history when the 99% was Occupy. But that was it, a flash
> in the pan. I am glad the Pirate movement has achieved so much more.
> Less media, less percentages, but actual content. And a vision.
> > as corruption). You think people just need to understand from the
> > comfort of their chairs that they can make a difference by
> > participating in an online platform.
> Are you alluding to LQFB? That is by far no representative democracy.
> And it worked. The results were a lot better than any editorial approach
> could have generated, even if all editors had no bias and no agenda.
> And it's not a problem if only a small percentage of population actually
> participates. It still means that tens of thousands are working out
> solutions the world is facing instead of just the hundreds you have in
> well equipped parliaments.
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