[pp.int.general] Guns, people, voting, fight and lqfb. /was Re: VIlfredo goes to Athens. /era Re: Liquid Democracy - a summary attempt

Félix Robles felrobelv at gmail.com
Mon Apr 28 23:06:11 CEST 2014

I don't know why we are talking this much about liquid feedback. It's a
good tool, some people use it, but there are other options. Whoever wants
to use it is free to use it and the rest can use other tools.

I use Agora Voting because I like its versatility.

And I am not trying to spam anyone, but have you people had a look at Agora
Voting, it's *super*!


On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 10:48 PM, Cal. <peppecal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 28 April 2014 22:14, carlo von lynX <lynX at pirate.my.buttharp.org>
> wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 09:49:13PM +0200, Cal. wrote:
> >> You sound more like a "guns don't kill people" activist.
> >> Voting makes fight. You don't get away from that.
> >
> > No, lack of discipline and common vision and good-heartedness
> > makes people fight and voting subsequently fail.
> You don't see? You just said it's people, not guns!
> > Why did it
> > work in Berlin? Because we weren't a**holes to each other.
> I think I should ask on Vilfredo about your assholeness, and see if a
> consensus is reached.
> >
> >> Moreover, we saw that your dear liquid makes no difference between
> neonazi
> >> minorities and legitimate ones, both unheard in the same identical way.
> >> That is plainly unacceptable.
> >
> > Incorrect. Minorities get weeks of debating time to bring
> > forward all the facts that should make the majority understand
> > the issue from their point of view.
> by majority concession. and we both know that's not true. I have
> countless ignored suggestions to prove that, last but not least my one
> "ask the greek pirates about this" on your joining of that tsipras
> stuff.
> > Of course that doesn't work if everyone is busy shooting with
> > guns instead of empathically reading proposals from minorities.
> not just a majority concession, a KIND, SENTIMENTAL, majority concession.
> > So I keep saying, it's not the software that is failing.
> > It's the lack of rules in our digital political party.
> Again it's not guns, it's people.
> > But I know that you are already so bitter about it, you will
> > not seriously consider my words.
> I'm bitter about your overuse of bullshit. Bring *evidence* that
> liquid doesn't throw minorities under the bus, and I'll say you're
> right. But you aren't.
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