[pp.int.general] Guns, people, voting, fight and lqfb. /was Re: VIlfredo goes to Athens. /era Re: Liquid Democracy - a summary attempt
felrobelv at gmail.com
Tue Apr 29 00:01:50 CEST 2014
Well, that can be tricky. I mean, through that web anyone can create their
own agora, but Agora has been also deployed for organizations.
The latest and biggest use of Agora Voting was for the primaries of
Podemos, which is a new political party in Spain. Over 33 000
citizens/voters used Agora Voting in this case, but unfortunately the
webpage <https://primarias.podemos.info/> where the voting happened is no
more, but you can access the results here:
In a previous experiment, more than 2k people participated in a voting, a
referendum-like voting on a matter that was being discussed on congress,
which result was reflected in the Congress of Spain through a proxy member
of the parliament (for the green party) on the vote of an incoming law. You
can visit the webpage here: https://congresotransparente.com/
Cal. yes you can vote directly if you want to. If you do a direct vote,
your vote is secret (unless you are acting as a delegate/representative).
But this is just one possible configuration for an agora, you can make an
agora with and without delegation and with and without public vote (for
those that are not delegates).
The idea behind Agora Voting is that different people might have different
needs, so Agora Voting is versatile and it adapts to the needs of each user.
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:30 PM, Cal. <peppecal at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 28 April 2014 23:06, Félix Robles <felrobelv at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I don't know why we are talking this much about liquid feedback. It's a
> > tool, some people use it, but there are other options. Whoever wants to
> > it is free to use it and the rest can use other tools.
> ask the spa**er. he can't let this liquid faith to be breached. it is who
> he is.
> even Psychological Operations in Guerrilla Warfare  says that for
> propaganda to be successful, propaganda teams need to be individually
> convinced and need to have talk time together so that the weak
> elements can pick up. dissenting voices just aren't in the picture
> (spoiler: cia lost that war).
> > I use Agora Voting because I like its versatility.
> > And I am not trying to spam anyone, but have you people had a look at
> > Voting, it's *super*!
> > https://agoravoting.com/
> I went there looking through existing agoras but it felt like
> desolated wasteland. Could you link some showcase agora or something
> like that?
> I don't remember if you can vote without delegating. If you can, how
> many people do that? Is their vote public?
> : cryptome.org/2012/05/cia-guerilla-psyops.pdf
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