[pp.int.general] Pirate Party from Argentina - General Assembly 2014
thomas.blechschmidt at piratenpartei-bayern.de
Wed Dec 10 19:50:51 CET 2014
I See. Some questions inline.
>Von: pp.international.general-bounces at lists.pirateweb.net
>[mailto:pp.international.general-bounces at lists.pirateweb.net] Im Auftrag von
>Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. Dezember 2014 20:29
>An: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>Betreff: Re: [pp.int.general] Pirate Party from Argentina - General Assembly 2014
>Here's the law:
>The worst points are:
>* Provinces will get 12% royality for the exploitation (the lower in
> latam). So far provinces had autonomy to negotiate contracts, not
That is indeed a transformation from federalism to centralism. I'm not familiar with Argentina's Constitution, but I think it is against a federal system. What does your constitutional court or Supreme court think about it? Someone is going to prosecute it on constitutional basis?
>* Provinces can only collect taxes limited to 3% of exploitation. Before
> the law, provinces had autonomy to put taxes as their will.
Next hack on the same ladder step...
>* National corporations **cannot participate** in fuel exploration or
> exploitation. It is limited to foreign corporations (!!!)
I did not find that. Where is that? And how does it work? I only saw, that public companies in governmental property cannot participate....
But the question is, if any argentine company has the money to compete with the international financial industry. I doubt that.
The financial industry already made Argentina a cow for anything to fill their accounts Meat, soya, corn, wheat, wood, leather,... With the complete deliverance of natural resources the problem just gests bigger...
>* Foreign corporations will sell fuel in the internal market at
> international Prices.
??? I don't get that. What is an international price for fuel? Here in Europe, we have a price range for fuel of 1,20 Euro / Liter up to 2,40 euro / Liter, but just over the Mediterranean its 20 cents.
>* Foreign corporations can take away foreign currency from the country
> without any restriction.
That is for sure. I don't find that in this law. But I don't see the problem. 15 years ago I exported one container with 22 tons of yerba to sell Mate in Germany. What a hack to get it out of the country. I needed to pay tax to export it. But I don't know, why. Does that make any sense? Here you get money from the government if you export things...
>* Foreign corporations can export 20% of fuel production (60% of
> maritime production).
Ok, where is the problem? Export oil, diesel, nafta, gas. If there is excess in the country, that is OK. The question is, how to split the profit in a fair way. I didn't find that either, What I found, was a obligation for the sources the companies need to prove they exploit.
>* Permissions are given for 20 years, with automatic renewal without an
> open tender.
At least you have this restriction. Better than nothing, here 10 years are common. And they have to renew it early. But as in middle Europe there is not much to find, that barely happens. Except coal. Coal digging in Germany not only gets licenses for 40 or 50 years, they also get money to dig it out and burn it down for electricity production, so CO2-emission now grow here instead of being reduced. Even if we already brought down the price for wind-generated electricity to 6 Eurocent / kWh and 9 Eurocent for photovoltaic-electricity our knowledge-resistent establishment still keeps the subsidies for coal-electricity high. This kind of electricity carries production cost of 12 Eurocent / kWh.
>* Foreign corporations don't need any environmental impact study to
> start operations, and there's no punishment defined for environmental
That ist to bad. The explanations on ambience keeping measures are empty phrases.
>* Aborigine communities live in the exploitation zone and they were not
> asked to give an opinion about the exploitation conditions. There's a
> national law that protect these communities and force the governments
> to ask them before giving exploitation/exploration permissions.
We are aware of what Benetton did in Patagonia with the aborigine land, where they pulled them out to grow their merino sheep flocks to get wool for products those poor people never can buy. We need to get civil society worldwide as close as the financial industry managers are. Otherwise they will enforce their control of our life more and more. Not for reasons of power and influence, just because the market logic of a limitless corporatism tells them to do that. If not, another one will do it and they lose their jobs. It ist the synthesis of hierarchic system, centralized power in a few persons hands, a totalitarian understanding of politics that not only equals communism, it ist superior and the 100% abuse of money accumulation to make sure that enough people follow that system. The perversion of capitalism, the negation of liberalism and the complete sale of any human and civilian rights. I raised in free, liberal capitalistic system. We could work and got enough money to live. This changed the moment, strong financial companies changed the paradigmas and started to convert everything in just a profit issue unit. No more liberalism, perversion of capitalism, negation of social responsibility, and disregard of equality of all human beings. Classification by sex, skin, nationality, age, profession, school degree, whatever. This is not longer acceptable. We need to reinstall basic values: Liberty, (freedom), equality, solidarity as well as human and civilian rights.
>Thanks for your support, it is very appreciated.
Be welcome. We need to prevent this planet from this idiotism. We feel it here in "rich" Europe as well as you do. Just on another level.
>On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 19:30:17 +0100
>"Thomas Blechschmidt" <thomas.blechschmidt at piratenpartei-bayern.de>
>> Holy Seykron,
>> Te aseguro que los piratas alemanes estan con ustedes respecto a la
>> politica de energies. Aunque nosotros tambienestamos en una lucha
>> dura. Por lo menos hay bastante otraos organisciones que pelean contra
>> el fracking.
>> Entendemos bien que los permitos de explotacion de hidrocarburos en
>> Argentina es una nueva forma de robo. Si es posible pasame una copia
>> de esta ley para que puedo demonstrar esta forma de politica aqui,
>> Quizas algunos entienden lo que pasa.
>> Inversion en derechos de explotacion para hacer mas plata - y son la
>> gente humilde que tienen que ahorrar las ganancias de algunas
>> Esto no tiene nada que ver con economia liberal, Mercado, precios
>> justificados, derechos humnos. Es pura dictadura a traves de poder
>> ☠Thomas Blechschmidt ☠
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>> >Von: pp.international.general-bounces at lists.pirateweb.net
>> >[mailto:pp.international.general-bounces at lists.pirateweb.net] Im
>> >Auftrag von seykron
>> >Gesendet: Montag, 1. Dezember 2014 08:18
>> >An: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk; pp-ops
>> >Betreff: [pp.int.general] Pirate Party from Argentina - General
>> >Assembly 2014
>> >Dear pirates and piratesses,
>> >I would like to share with you the outcome of the General Assembly
>> >that has taken place on Friday 28.
>> >Summary: we talked about what we made, what we're doing and what
>> >we'll do on 2015. The full minutes are here (spanish language):
>> ># What we'll do on 2015
>> >1. We will focus on building the pirate space and the spreading of
>> >pirate culture and organization, so more people will get involved in
>> >our activities. Pirate space: horizontal relationships, free culture,
>> >safe space, criticism, collective decisions. Pirate
>> >organization: digital assemblies, decision making tools, direct
>> >democracy implementation.
>> >2. After a year of working on institutional politics from outside, we
>> >decided to NOT put any effort on getting the legal status as
>> >political party. We have several reasons for that (according the
>> >country's history and politics):
>> > a. It is not possible to change or modify political decisions from
>> > inside the parliament. Power go from top to bottom, and legislatives
>> > do not have decision by themselves. They answer to the political
>> > party structure they belong to.
>> > b. If we compete in elections, we're enemies from ones and friends
>> > of others, and we DO HAVE to make this decision. We think it is
>> > better to participate in topics we're interested in and call our
>> > contacts in the parliament to join efforts, it doesn't matter which
>> > political party they belong to.
>> > c. Once you're in the parliament, you have to agree things you
>> > maybe don't agree in order to survive. In a parliament where more
>> > than 50% are legislatives from the same political party, one or two
>> > legislatives will not be able to support assemblies decisions. For
>> > instance: chief legislative from the majority comes to tell you "we
>> > need you to back this bill". The pirate legislative says "we cannot
>> > back this bill, it goes against our values". So the chief
>> > legislative says: "you don't understand, if you don't back our bill,
>> > you will never be able to present a bill by yourself". Why does
>> > he/she can do that? It is simple: the majority also have majority in
>> > committees, so committees will never treat your bills if you don't
>> > back them.
>> > d. We have a tactical advantage: in the parliament no one
>> > understand the relationship between politics and technology. They
>> > think we're inoffensive guys because "we don't do classical
>> > politics". They don't see another power raising below their noses.
>> >3. We will improve our digital tools to promote participation. So
>> >far, we were using tools that are not user friendly (like email
>> >lists) because we have political requirements: assemblies must be
>> >transparent and a full registry of all discussions must be saved.
>> >The email is the best tool to backup a distributed registry, but it
>> >does not scale, and we know it since a time. We will finally solve
>> >this issue (maybe we'll install loomio).
>> >4. We will improve our processes to react to the political agenda in
>> >which we're interested. If something like net neutrality appears in
>> >the parliament, we need to react quickly and call our contacts there
>> >to analyze how can we get involved.
>> ># What we made
>> >1. We presented legal actions to unblock The Pirate Bay in
>> >Argentina. We're still waiting the legal process. Follow up:
>> >we'll try to appeal for the unlock since according to the blocking
>> >sentence it should expire in 90 days. We'll recover the
>> >ShareLikeAPirate campaign, so we will ask for your help for that
>> >2. We participated in several events at universities.
>> >3. We made a huge online campaign to stop the fracking bill. We
>> >worked together with collectives, trade unions and oposition
>> >political parties to build a common force against this bill. We
>> >didn't stop the bill, but the people's answer was very impressive:
>> > a. People sent over 22.000 messages to legislatives in less than
>> > two weeks. At least 15.000 persons participated in the campaign.
>> > b. A legislative dedicated his speech to answer the campaign.
>> > c. Several artists expressed support to the action and two famous
>> > bands accepted to give a concert in front of the parliament. It
>> > didn't happen because of the weather...
>> >4. We were invited to expose about the new telecommunications bill in
>> >the Senate. It was a huge collaborative job to make amendments to
>> >the bill, since it was awful. We sent the recommendations to the
>> >senators, but the bill is still awful. Anyway, some important points
>> >were introduced as net neutrality, privacy protection, and a special
>> >mention to Redes Libres. The bill will be approved this week so it
>> >is not possible to introduce new changes, but we'll still working
>> >together with advisors to present an alternative dictum.
>> >5. Meeting with the Confederación Pirata from Spain. It was a great
>> >time, we talked about our experience and we agree to unify efforts in
>> >order to build a fluid communication channel. You know it isn't easy,
>> >but we trust it is very important to be informed about what's
>> >happening in each country.
>> >Please, let us know your thoughts about what we're doing. It is
>> >essential to integrate different points of view in order to build a
>> >strong knowledge.
>> >Many thanks to read till here :D
>> > http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Safe_space
>> > http://wiki.partidopirata.com.ar/BloqueoThePirateBay
>> > http://wiki.partidopirata.com.ar/ShareLikeAPirate.en
>> > http://wiki.partidopirata.com.ar/YoLosParo
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5lVqGiLrRs
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36pLW9Xq7iA#t=337
>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RedLibre
>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
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