[pp.int.general] Anybody checked out placeavote.com?

[Betiel]

ok, we heard a lot about what you think is a very strong problem. (way to
much!!!) So, I want to change the angle.

I want to know What solution do you suggest.

You prefer to improve the swarm or change it? If it is improve: How? If it
is change it: What is for you the best option?

The answer to these questions is important because, until you propose some
solution/alternative, instead of only complaining, the swarm solution for
most of us is the better, and we prefer and chose to work towards improving
it.

Saying is wrong wont change our minds. Take your time to show us a better
way, and then I can assure you we will listen.

Betiel







2014-06-01 17:28 GMT-03:00 Antonio Garcia <ningunotro at hotmail.com>:

> Both lack of infrastructure and lack of personal capacities are due to the
> poor sociological level the overall mass dynamics inject into the swarm.
> When the majotity decides everything, and that majority does not care to
> inform itself thoroughly before casting a vote but does so following buddy
> politics, or  low rationality desires, or voting no matter how because what
> sustains their self-esteem is exercising their right to vote even in the
> easiest way possible, tossing a coin or throwing dice...
>
> ... then what the swarm becomes is an #IDIOCRAZY ;(.
>
> When it takes intelligent pirates AGES to get a wrong act reversed, and
> while they are onto it 10 other wrong and stupid decision stack up...
> intelligent people give up because remaining coherent becomes impossible.
>
> They silently drop out. No need top make an useless fuss out of it.
>
> And with each intelligent dropout the black hole of total #IDIOCRAZY cpmes
> closer for the Pirate Movement.
>
> I've been battling the phenomenon inside the Spanish Pirate Party, before
> I had to take it by the horns at the PPI when I attended the 2012 Prague
> General Assembly.
>
> I'm still being fooled around with by the ignorant members of our pirate
> community and the few too pragmatic "Profis"...
>
> ... and there does not seem to be a general intelligent wish to sort
> things out.
>
>
> You can't avoid correcting the mistakes if you want to heal...
>
>
> Lets see what tne #aBPT of our Germab brethren broadcasts as a message at
> the end of this month...
>
> ... either #PIRATES or #IDIOCRAZY... you can(t have both.
>
>
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> From: pirate.martin at stolze.cc
> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 20:49:39 +0200
> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> CC: pp-eu.euroliquid at lists.pp-international.net;
> ag-liquid-democracy at lists.piratenpartei.de
> Subject: [pp.int.general] Anybody checked out placeavote.com?
>
>
> ​​
> Hi Together,
> I keep arguing that a lack of infrastructure is actually our biggest
> challenge. I guess, by now, it is safe to say that we don't actually have
> the capacity to build something ample ourselves (Liquid Feedback, shitty
> mailing lists, limesurvey you name it). The way I see it is that we simply
> don't manage to activate the talent that would be necessary to develop
> something pioneering. All the good ideas and innovations coupled with our
> lofty idealism is worth nothing if nobody is pouring them into Java or PHP.
>
> The guys at placeavote.com have been gone through the news as they try to
> shoehorn direct democracy into any form of electoral system by means of
> levering it out and replacing politicians with proxies that only relay
> decisions made by the corresponding constituency.
>
> Of course implementation, especially in the US, is highly unlikely.
> However using it at least internally to a certain degree or forking it a
> little can be a chance for us to move out of the technological middle ages
> that we are stuck in.
>
> It also seems not to be open source (yet?) but I am thinking more along
> the lines of sweet-talking the guys behind it into working for us as some
> kind of software consultants, maybe we can flatter them with a bit of the
> cash that should come our way in form of election refunds?
> ​ :)​
>
>
> What do you think?
>
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