[pp.int.general] Antonio - do you want to work with us in organizing this movement?

[Antonio Garcia]

May I ask under what capacity and with which authority you are bargaining with me?

> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 15:28:46 +0200
> From: zzbbyy at gmail.com
> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Antonio - do you want to work with us in organizing this movement?
> 
> On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Antonio Garcia <ningunotro at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 07:40:47 +0200
> >> From: zzbbyy at gmail.com
> >> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> >> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Antonio - do you want to work with us in
> >> organizing this movement?
> >>
> >> OK Antonio - so there were some mistakes made.
> >
> > Calling it "some mistakes" is quite a very big understatement. No friend,
> > mistakes were made, of course, but there has been A LOT of VOLUNTARY...
> > BASTARD BEHAVIOUR unsuitable for even the most scumbag of pirates. And a lot
> > of cowardice by far too many too.
> >
> > The 2012 CoA did the Pirate Movement a very big disservice through their
> > highly incompetent and childish rulings... and I have been one of the very
> > few pirates to have enough balls to stand their ground when they know they
> > are right. Shame on most of the rest.
> >
> > I spelled out CLEARLY why a 2013 PPI GA that did NOT address the catalan
> > issue would INVALIDATE ITSELF automatically... and dear Gregory Engels
> > thought he could brave me organizing it in Kazan. Well, I'm afraid to say
> > that he was WRONG. You'll have to make HIM pay for the consequences, not
> > me... I warned well in advance.
> >
> > And everybody knows the 2014 PPI GA has been just a plain farce...
> >
> > Ain't NO WAY anybody is going to weasle out this time...
> >
> > I have been made a fool of at home for far too long by mere abuse of the PPI
> > Boards and CoA... and I need the full rehabilitation to be able to finsh
> > things off in Spain conveniently.
> >
> >
> >
> >> What do you propose now? Nullifying Catalonia admittance would nullify
> >> three subsequent GA where they took part and this is something I don't
> >> think many members would agree.
> >
> > Silly you. They do not have to agree. It is something UNAVOIDABLE if they
> > value PIRATE DIGNITY.
> >
> > Of course, they can prefer NOT to value it, and keep the excess of rats and
> > cockroaches on board because that guarantees easy play in the
> > KinderGarten...
> >
> > ... but without dignity there is nothing to loose and then my final choice
> > is to BURN all the ships down to wipe that dishonour from history and start
> > working on something else.
> >
> >
> >
> >> All that you describe is not a big
> >> thing - it is just a formality - because the general will is to have
> >> Catalonia as a member. Disrupting the whole organization to fix that
> >> minor formality failure does not make sense.
> >
> > Yeah, if you think THAT is the only problem... you are blind. The catalan
> > issue, and how it was handled so far, is just one of the symptoms. If you
> > think the Pirate issue in Spain is complex... I beg you to have a peek at
> > the actual situation in Germany. They are having a controversial
> > Extraordinary General Assembly at the end of the month.
> >
> > An awful lot depends also on what they decide from there... I've got most of
> > an "Internationales" department full of rats to smoke out if they don't.
> >
> > If the general will is to have the catalans as a member... yeah, I know they
> > can be fun and attract buddy politics... then when everything that needs to
> > be undone is undone... they can rebuild from the scratch, if they manage to
> > CORRECTLY brave my opposition.
> >
> > I won't allow ILLGOTTEN GAINS to be consolidated in any way... it would be
> > just a too tempting precedent.
> >
> >
> >
> >> So I'll repeat - how about a resolution that admits that there were
> >> some mistakes made - but that we don't want to change the current
> >> state of the organization. A lawyer should be able to formulate this
> >> in a formal way. Then we'd vote on this resolution at the next GA and
> >> I am pretty sure that it would pass - but maybe not who knows.
> >>
> >> Would that satisfy you?
> >
> > No, it wouldn't. I wouldn't get back what has unduly been taken away from me
> > these last years... and a few bastards would get away with what they do not
> > deserve.
> 
> Hmm - OK - so another proposal - the resolution would NULLIFY the
> Catalonia admitance, the subsequent GAs - all that you argument that
> should be done and then in the same text it would establish all the
> statutes amendments that were voted in these GAs, admit all the
> members that were admitted and in general establish all the acts that
> were voted in these nullified GAs.
> 
> This would comply with all your requests above about what should be
> done - but we'd still not disrupt the organization. Would that be
> enough?
> 
> And if not - than we can also add to the first part of such an
> resolution other parts - and then add balancing texts to the second
> part - so that the current state of the organization is preserved
> after the operation.
> 
> We could even do that in two resolutions - first would comply with all
> your requests - and second would preserve the current state of the
> organization.
> 
> Would that be enough?
> 
> Well - I cannot imagine how complying with all your requests could not
> be enough - but I am waiting for your answer.
> 
> Z.
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