[pp.int.general] resetthenet.. srsly? (was: Antonio)

[Cal.]

I feel you are both being a bit paranoid, and a bit misdirected.

There is an enormous difference between *mass* surveillance and
*targeted* surveillance, being that—short of running to Russia under
fsb "protection"—you cannot avoid targeted surveillance: that switches
your spies from the sigint to the humint kind.

So, the point is that mass surveillance needs different
countermeasures... mass countermeasures. And suggesting to replace
email and ssl with different technologies, on the whole internet, for
all its users, doesn't feel that way.

On 7 June 2014 02:38,  <hyazinthe at emailn.de> wrote:
> Basically I agree with you.
> As such this campaign is nice, but to what people got directed is plain terrible and confusing !
> If one does that much effort, then the privacy strenghening alternatives should be meaningful;
> there are some nice recommendments on prism-break.org, which as a sum
> are a solid solution – of course, not perfect, but damn secure.
> It really doesn't take much there; 3 to 4 fundamental elements and from that point on
> your only problem is, that you're running your stuff not on free hardware.
> Just switching to https certainly doesn't get you to this point.
>
>
> Greetings,
> / aka Oliver
>
>
> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: carlo von lynX <lynX at pirate.my.buttharp.org>
> Datum: 07.06.2014 00:43:45
> An: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk        <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
> Betreff: [pp.int.general] resetthenet.. srsly? (was: Antonio)
>
>> On Thu, Jun 05, 2014 at 08:06:39PM +0300, Andrianos Pappas wrote:
>> > Wtf, this is all stuff for personal correspondence and talks, not for
>> international lists.
>> > So if you could all just stfu, and focus on real life things, such as
>> #resetthenet, it'd be awesome.
>>
>> from http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/consensus/2014-05/msg00000.html
>>
>> If it was that simple we could have done such a
>> campaign the same day the revelations came out.
>>
>> - 1st of all, the main problem is mail and chat,
>>   so you don't solve that by HSTS
>>
>> - The recommended solutions for mail and chat
>>   are obnoxious for normal users to install and
>>   will be obsolete in a year or so, since no-one
>>   should stick to mail and chat that does not
>>   protect the social graph "meta" data.
>>
>> - The idea that all HTTP sites should upgrade
>>   to HTTPS, without at least convincing one CA
>>   to hand out free *.domain certificates, is just
>>   an amazing promotional campaign for the CA industry.
>>
>> - HSTS is the greatest of all band-aids, much weaker
>>   than DANE, still if you use it wrong you condemn
>>   yourself to buying certificates for potentially a
>>   veeery long time. Would be better to go for the
>>   less bad band-aid: DANE.
>>
>> - Would be better if the web browsers were supporting
>>   proper pinning of self-signed certificates. Or
>>   supporting cacert.org so people can reasonably get
>>   free certs. They can show the sites with a yellow
>>   box instead of a green one (if Mozilla thinks cacert
>>   is less safe, which in the current situation is a
>>   ridiculous assertion anyway), but leaving the web in
>>   a state of utter brokenness is sick.
>>
>> - Would be better to fix the scalability of Tor hidden
>>   services so we can use .onion instead of the broken
>>   HTTPS thing. Or if that doesn't work, use GNUnet for
>>   the "light web"
>>
>> - Would be better to deploy opportunistic forward
>>   secrecy implemented in JS over HTTP (naif has been
>>   working on that)
>>
>> - Would be better if campaign websites weren't themselves
>>   collecting personal data before even saying anything
>>   (the first thing it shows is a prompt to drop your
>>   e-mail into a box.. very reassuring).
>>
>> So I don't see the point in a superficial campaign that
>> doesn't actually fix anything about the status quo, instead
>> it is likely to foster further damage by not offering long-term
>> solutions.
>>
>> If you think this makes sense, please forward it to the
>> appropriate people in the listed organizations.
>>
>>
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