[pp.int.general] Update on Beppe Grillo and the 5 Star Movement

[Antonio Garcia]

Citing Open Europe ;).

You italian "Pirates" have strange bedfellows at times.

And have yet to show any effort in Italy to be able to lecture anybody on pirate matters. Plus, for you... disintegrating in Germany.

> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 11:09:29 +0200
> From: lynX at pirate.my.buttharp.org
> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> Subject: [pp.int.general] Update on Beppe Grillo and the 5 Star Movement
> 
> Recent developments have answered some of the open questions some of
> you had in 2013 concerning the 5 Star Movement.
> 
> By creating a rigged consultation, where only right-wing parties were
> available as options for the Italian M5S members to choose from, Mr
> Grillo has got himself his idea of support for joining UKIP's new EP
> group that intends to include white supremacists and other right-wing scum.
> 
> http://openeuropeblog.blogspot.co.at/2014/06/grillo-joins-farage-but-ukips-group-in.html
> 
> Even after several Grillo publications whitewashing UKIP as a nice
> and gentle political force, a grassroot consultation among M5S
> activists still shows the UKIP alliance at a third place after
> the idea of going with the Greens and Pirates. They would even
> rather join the radical left:
> 
> 	http://my.pages.de/tmp/sondaggio-M5S-europa.jpg
> 
> But on this important issue Mr Grillo has shown how his movement is
> not in charge of its own decisions. Neither the base with its oddly
> intransparent online consultations, nor the elected parliamentaries,
> who are regulated to be Mr Grillo's puppets and thus will not be very
> interesting conversation partners for our MEP Julia.
> 
> We should learn from last year's attempts to detour us from our way
> of rightly keeping the distance from this formation. Those people
> who intensely expressed their bad judgements on the situation should
> refrain from furthering their strategic expertise to the Pirate
> movement in its future endaveaours.
> 
> Of course they will, so it is up to us to muff our ears.
> 
> PP-IT is still expecting the M5S to blow up, either by implosion
> or explosion, but somehow this thing is getting so gently
> perverted, that its activists are getting used to the heat instead
> of leapfrogging out of the bowl. Same so with the electorate.
> 
> After reading Swarmwise I realize Casaleggio Associates has employed
> all the good ideas from it. They started 2009 just after the PP-SE's
> peak success, inviting Rick over for consultations, and got a scary 
> lot of the things Rick describes right. But they also found subtle
> ways to give the "leadership" aspect a not so benevolent dictatorial
> taste. It's a very Italian thing - things you say and things you do
> not being at all in line, and hardly anyone complains, because it is
> so normal. Even the leaders of the "alternative left" do this, whatever
> its name of the week.
> 
> 
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