[pp.int.general] Swarm management
jakobsheep at gmail.com
Sun Mar 2 10:56:07 CET 2014
No bubbles burst, just another one spontaneous appeared.
There is a difference between the political pragmatic self-management
(which is by its nature -fact driven- self directing) and the bigger
picture the common/shared hopes within the pirate ideology which lacks a
clear direction in how to practically make liquid democracy work. Or to put
it in other words, give the people/voters a workable environment (one day
globally). After 8 years 'we' want/need a working system instead of all
the promises being diffused (leading to confusion and worse,
The argument 'but it is not perfect' is becoming a mantra that is putting
people off (and thus the pirates won't grow beyond the marginal minority as
What is in *concrete* 'the plan for the future' based on liquid democracy ?
Give us something we can play with :)
On 2 Mar 2014 10:23, "Lisa" <lisa at piratenpartij.nl> wrote:
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> I think LennStar and I are pretty synced with what I intended. I
> appreciate the inspiration that grew out of my request, but it's
> moving wayyyy further than I had initially wanted. I do agree that we
> could organise much better on an international level, but what I'm
> specifically looking for is of a much smaller scale.
> I'm struggling with issues such as 'what to do with the sudden influx
> of volunteers during the campaign' and 'how to register volunteers in
> a way that keeps their data safe and doesn't violate their privacy'.
> Much more of a practical approach then a technological or ideological
> one. I'm finding it difficult to keep up and provide the scaffolding
> on which the swarm can connect and grow, on a national level. I am
> going to have to address that before I can even start thinking of
> connecting swarms across borders.
> Sorry to burst any bubbles here, I'm not trying to shoot initiatives
> down. In fact, I hope the broader initiatives voiced here take flight
> as well, so that they're in place for when people such as myself are
> ready to join in.
> I agree with the suggestion to just start somewhere to get whoever's
> interested on the same page and I suggest that we meet after the
> foundation of the PP-EU, when things start to settle down a bit.
> _*Proposition: Saturday, March 5, 2014 - 12 am (noon) UTC*_
> LennStar: would you please post the PP-DE Mumble info to this list?
> - - Lisa
> On 2-3-2014 10:12, Pirat at LennStar.de wrote:
> > I would propose we meet in mumble and speak about our goals,
> > hopefully set them, get a name based on this and make the needed
> > infrastructure (padspace).
> > I can come basically every time of the day, central european time.
> > (hint if you dont know XKCD: http://xkcd.com/now )
> > LennStar
> > Am 01.03.2014 10:44, schrieb Lisa:
> >> Dear pirates,
> >> I don't think I've ever really introduced myself, so allow me to
> >> start there. :)
> >> My name is Lisa and I'm a volunteer with the dutch Pirate Party,
> >> PP-NL. I've taken on the responsibility to be the editor of our
> >> monthly newsletter and I'm the coordintator of our HRM (or
> >> rather: managing the swarm) through our taskforce 'Organisation'.
> >> I have a way with people that allows me to connect relatively
> >> easily and I usually try to stay away from political debates in
> >> order to maintain a neutral position, most of the time. Both
> >> these things allow me to do my job in a relatively uncomplicated
> >> fashion, allowing me to facilitate in the scaffolding for the
> >> dutch swarm to grow and thrive on.
> >> That said, I've also pretty much been the only person doing this
> >> in our party for the past few months and although I'm a hard
> >> worker and I don't mind setting things up on my own, I also
> >> realize that one person can't know it all. I would hate for my
> >> inexperience to be holding back our party and this is why I'm
> >> reaching out to you, the international community of pirates.
> >> I'd like to set up some kind of international group of people
> >> involved with swarm management, to offer each other advice when
> >> needed, deliberate about questions we all deal with, share some
> >> of our experiences and generally learn from each other. I'm sure
> >> all parties are different in some ways and we'll have fun
> >> exploring some of the different approaches together as well.
> >> For this purpose, I'd like to offer hospitality on the Dutch
> >> party's Mumble server, where we could meet on a somewhat regular
> >> basis. I'd prefer an interval of once every few months, maybe
> >> quarterly?
> >> Would anyone be interested in setting this up with me? And if
> >> it's just me that's feeling a little overwhelmed and feels like a
> >> derp sometimes while trying to 'herd cats', then would anyone be
> >> willing to share their experiences with just me?
> >> To the international coordinators reading this: please forward
> >> this request to your party's taskforces/people that you think it
> >> is relevant for. They may either contact me directly or through
> >> this list.
> >> Looking forward to hearing from you!
> >> Kindest regards, Lisa van Oostveen PP-NL
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