[pp.int.general] Invitation PPI Conference Paris 12th/13th of April

[Antonio Garcia]

Anouk,

Can you point to any expectable (as in where logic and ethic as one should understand pirates should honour them effectively show up) result for my complaint to the Honourable Court of Arbitration effectively dismounting any due logic led to the acceptance of Pirates de Catalunya as a full member of the of course not less honourable Pirate Parties International?

The Court of Arbitration... vanished ;).

The issue was not brought before the PPI GA in Kazan/Brussels as unavoidable pending issue...

... considering it was about a breach of the honourable companies STATUTES
... considering it was about a possible non-member voting at the Kazan/Brussels PPI GA.

Instead, everything was done awkwardly to keep me from airing the issue, with the German delegates in control of the microphone in Brussels at all time.

AND... the new Court of Arbitration... very honourably decided to change its rules of procedure without consulting anybody... and consider them retroactively applicable to my pending case, so as to dismiss it altogether without having to make fools of themselves honouring the true spirit of the Pirate Brotherhood.


Brethren... you have left me no alternative whatsoever... I have to spit on you.


Antonio.

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 16:53:14 +0100
From: jakobsheep at gmail.com
To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Invitation PPI Conference Paris 12th/13th of	April

First of all, thank you for your valuable input Andrew (I mean this although it appears contra-wise, hence this statement).
Read further between the lines:



On 28 March 2014 16:01, Andrew Norton <ktetch at gmail.com> wrote:

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On 3/28/2014 10:23 AM, Anouk wrote:

> Which (solid) arguments are there in favour of making it worth it to

> delay this GA 3 or 5 weeks ? (I can't think of any solid/pragmatic

> argument).



Er.. How about

The ability to propose an amendment?

The ability to propose membership?

The ability to get time off work?

The ability to get cheaper travel?



Major points I think.


Counter question : Does one need and official announcement to start working on these proposals in advance (also knowing it happens /every/ year at least) ?

A pretty laid-back attitude is it not ? 




> Is there not also an obligation to inform yourself (being involved more

> then just trolling ?) on the progress of the PPI ?



Er, no. When it comes to this, the specific, stated obligation is on the

PPI board to make clear, concise, timely announcements. It's actually

one of the very few jobs of the PPI board.


Point taken, that is a fact.
 




Also, in case you'd forgotten, a BUNCH of us have an election in 8 weeks

time. While we *could* spend our spare time hoping someone bothers to

update the wiki, it'd be a much more effective use of time if, say, any

major, significant changes were, you know, announced?

Two things, one is here in France we also got upcoming elections and the other thing is that with the election of where this AG would be held it was pointed out by France that it would be a good reason to have this meeting in Europe /before/ these elections as a good promotion towards these elections !!!

Does anyone read the minutes (or annexes) of those meetings ?

 


> You don't have to subscribe to read the wiki is it not ?



Go look at the history page for the event. There was a bunch of stuff

put on it in August. In december the date was changed (aren't you glad

you didn't book based on what was 'on the wiki' before then!). The next

change was on Tuesday.

In fact, anyone that 'followed the wiki' would be under the assumption

that the information on that page was not accurate, given the following

PPI Board minutes entries on the event.



January 7: "We need to start planning soon."

January 21 "Thomas shall contact PP-FR about the current planning on the

french side. We didn't receive any updates since the last meeting."



So, everything on that Wiki page prior to Tuesday was prior to any

planning, according to the board themselves. Why would anyone assume it

to be accurate then?


When one has a 'mouth' to ask now, why not asking before ?
 






>

> To put this short, if there is a fundamental problem/error at the PPI,

> it should be dealt with accordingly. And not by (the accordingly caused)

> incidents (re-)occurring. That is a just weak sophism (lawyers spin-talk

> alike) and shows of little (collective ?) intelligence.



But they do keep reoccurring. And the reason why is the same reason

copyright organisations make false claims, the NSA hoovers up everyone's

personal information, police misconduct is on the rise, anything can be

justified by 'fighting terrorism', politicians are in thrall to the

special interests - there are no consequences. We sigh, tut, and let it

go saying 'don't do it again!'



Your answer is not only not the solution, it's actually one of the major

causes of the problem.


You are probably not aware of how conscious I am of this problem, is there not another way of communicating (internationally ?) about this and other issues ?






We, as Pirates identify with a specific set of principles. We wrote them

down, codified them as party constitutions and statutes. Our statutes,

an expression of our collective principles, have been broken. I don't

know about you, but I like my principles, I like to stick to them, and

not just abandon them any time something becomes a bit inconvenient.

Principles and ethics, look up (older emails on this list) what I have tried to advocate about these.

Again when and how can we start this (constructive/alternative/etc.) initiative ?
 


Also, as a passing thought, this late/no notice 'trick' is quite common

in politics too. Can you guess what kind of laws tend to be passed via

such methods; "too late to change now", "shh, don't tell anyone else

when the vote is" "here's all 1200 pages of the new law, we're voting on

it tomorrow".

Those actually happened. with the UK's Digital Economy Act, one assembly

passing of the French HADOPI law, and the USA PATRIOT act (which

authorises much of the Snowdon revelations)

But it's only common with BAD laws, because good ones can stand public

scrutiny.



In fact, I think we're all pretty much specifically against these kinds

of practices. So, when did they become acceptable to you for pirate

stuff, but not for regular stuff?

I pick up the same signals and my problem is that I am a 'softy' political wise (I already gave up hope in politics 22 years ago and it hasn't changed, oh sweet ambiguity, why joining the pirates, I guess not all is logic). As a comparison, I already proposed to 'my' pirate party to have/start an internal section of opposition. Unfortunately, 'they' are not ready for this (yet). Could 'we' start one here ?


When 'they' are smart, we got to be smarter, hell that is why it is called 'politics'.
(Don't throw the baby out with the dirty bath-water)


cheers,
Anouk
 


Andrew



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> Just another opinion,

> A.

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