[pp.int.general] Worrying tendency regarding our message board policies

roberto aka robske evilteddyxl at gmail.com
Wed May 14 03:01:10 CEST 2014

Fully agreed and I notice this development too. In The Netherlands there
are strong advocates of similar measures, but luckily these measures have
not been put into effect yet *officially* (and as such, are not enforced or
widely employed at all).

For me, a pirate party is not about gaining seats or getting into city
councils. It is about achieving our ideals. I don't care if that's through
getting into legislature bodies through elections, or spreading awareness
amongst the people, or through setting up protests. I don't care at all.
The core of it always is that we want to have certain ideals be embedded
into law and into governmental and economic conduct. There are various ways
to do this, none being strongly better than the other. Each have their cons
and pros.

As one of our core ideals is openness, transparancy and such, we should
also employ this into the Pirate Party itself. Having no proper public
lists is directly in violation of this core principle. If we abandon this
core principle, it is a slippery slope which will eventually make us no
different than the generic yet another political party.

There will always be trollls. Just learn to live with the flaming wars or
shitstorms they cause periodically. And when worried about leaking abuses
of power or such to public lists (I have done so several times, in one case
even receiving threats of various magnitudes including a very nice piece of
paper filled with threats in legal jargon from the board which i
immediatelly consigned to no more value as toilet paper.), the first thing
you should consider then that when there are no abuses taking place, they
can't be leaked to the public lists (or even for that matter, the press,
which is generally even more undesirable).

Keep in mind that if you don't adhere to core principles, you are bound to
fail as a pirate party, since people will eventually see that you are no
different than the others. Lets try to prevent that from happening.

-- Roberto
Elected member of the Dutch Pirate Party member council.

On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 3:16 PM, <hyazinthe at emailn.de> wrote:

> Hi folks, I'm noticing a worrying tendency across the pirate party message
> boards;
> I see it in Austria, I see it in the UK, and now also in Sweden: Message
> boards got locked down;
> only fully accessable for official, paying members; probably in order to
> avoid vandalism.
> When you see such development, please play your role and take action
> against it;
> international cooperation is extremely handicapped, when the opportunity
> is abolished, that everyone
> is able to address a mass medium of a pirate party in order to have
> constructive exchange with
> the pirate party basis.
> Additionally this locking down is completely against a very unique and
> positive quality, some pirate
> parties have and what distinguishes them from all other political parties:
> It's this liquid, barrier-free, open access
> to the pirate party, it's this "it doesn't matter, if you're member; you
> can do everything without membership
> as long as you don't want to vote on party conventions or the resolution
> systems of the pirate party";
> this attitude is pure expression of putting proper political work in the
> center of our acting instead
> success of us as a political party; and it's pure expression of us as
> being not only a political party,
> but also an activists movement.
> I also don't see how closed club culture goes hand in hand with our open
> access principle...
> I mean... just explain me, how, for instance, crucial information flow
> between the pirate party basis of
> the pirate parties across the world is supposed to happen, if we don't
> chose a structure for us, which
> enables every person, to head for our pirate party basis effortlessly and
> fast for verbal exchange.
> I just don't see it. Is one supposed to place his information here on this
> mailing list and asking all
> readers for forwarding the information into the mass medium of his country
> pirate party ?
> If one does so, do people here in practice really act like this then ?
> A charming solution would be, that all message boards of the pirate
> parties across the world each would
> be staffed with a "global section", which is connected to all other
> "global sections" of all the pirate
> party message boards, so that this "global section" is the window of all
> pirate parties of the world to
> one central point for borderless global coordination... well, but that's
> future music...
> I know that we don't have a very sophisticated international communication
> structure – yet ;) –
> facing this, I just think it's not a good idea, to make it worse than it
> still is.
> Greetings,
> / aka Oliver
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Roberto Moretti

PPNL Member & Indie Games Developer.
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