[pp.int.general] A consensus experiment as a partial answer to the Pirate Communication Problem.

[Antonio Garcia]

After http://samedokan.wordpress.com/2014/05/10/when-pirates-do-prefer-censorship/ finally finds a proper and decent solution.

Before, anything anybody tries will be utterly pointless.

Because WE all have been playing with ALL our CORE VALUES recklessly... there.


Antonio.

> Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 13:07:46 +0200
> From: zzbbyy at gmail.com
> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> Subject: [pp.int.general] A consensus experiment as a partial answer to the Pirate Communication Problem.
> 
> Copied from the workpad at:
> http://pad.polskapartiapiratow.pl/p/ConsensusExperiment
> 
> 
> # Problem (http://pad.polskapartiapiratow.pl/p/PirateCommunicationProblem)
> 
> There is a severe deficiency of communication between the pirate parties:
> 
> * at the General Assemblies of PPI we don't have enough time to talk
> about everything
> 
> * the general mailing list does not work - because lack of rules makes the
> discussion chaotic
> 
> * the leaders mailing list and Liquid Feedback setup by Nuno look desert
> 
> * the local forums are often locked down now
> 
> ## Proposal 1: consensus deliberative group experiment (zby)
> 
> A consensus based deliberative group (committee?) that would gather opinions
> from all pirate parties and work on what is the common core among them.
> 
> It will be immediately useful for:
> 
> * organizing coordinated actions (mostly protests, but also actions
> like welcoming Snowden etc.)
> 
> * working on common program core (the European common core program is
> very useful for small parties and it should be copied worldwide)
> 
> * making common declarations
> 
> * maybe working on PPI statutes
> 
> After we get it running we can also work on more difficult stuff like
>  establishing what it really means to be a pirate party.
> 
> ### Known issues
> 
> To get there we need to meet two conflicting requirements.
> 
> * The group cannot be too big - so that we can work with the classical
> consensus protocol (based on ideas like:
> http://www.starhawk.org/activism/trainer-resources/consensus.html),
> and it needs to have a well defined boundary (rule #1 in 8 rules for
> governance of the commons by Ostrom
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elinor_Ostrom ). I think the Dunbar
> Number that is 120 would make a hard limit.
> 
> * and it needs to include at least participants from all (legitimate)
> pirate parties
> 
> ### Plan
> 
> All more concrete rules would be established by the group
> itself. I believe that if we make good rules we can avoid the problems
> that afflict the other communication channels. We can start using emails
> and pads - and then choose our own communication infrastructure.
> 
> All this will require some work from all participants - we need
> volunteers that can regularly dedicate some of their time to
> communicate with the group and with local parties and work on the issues.
> 
> Anyone interested?
> 
> 
> -- 
> Zbigniew Lukasiak
> http://brudnopis.blogspot.com/
> http://perlalchemy.blogspot.com/
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