[pp.int.general] USA News

Mon Feb 9 21:27:59 CET 2015

Hi Ray,

Von: pp.international.general-bounces at lists.pirateweb.net [mailto:pp.international.general-bounces at lists.pirateweb.net] Im Auftrag von Ray Jenson
Gesendet: Montag, 9. Februar 2015 16:49
An: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
Betreff: Re: [pp.int.general] USA News

The TTIP is something that the US has only minimal interest in. There's no impact on US-based politics, so it's difficult to get any leverage to oppose it here. Add that to the blatant corruption of our Congress and other government organizations, and you can see why many of us are considering it a lost cause here.

For us here it seems as if the US Interest is huge – talking about the industry, the financial companies and the government. Why should they execute such an effort on the negotiations and insist severe to do all thi sin a top secret way?

However, I will say one thing: the PP's activities have thoroughly brought the corruption into the spotlight, and that's something that was very much necessary. It feels like a losing battle, and for the moment it is, but in the long term there will be consequences that I think they will not be able to control.

Corruption work sin different way. Here in Germany it is in fact still legal.

And I can't go further without donning my tinfoil hat. Oh, what the hell, I'll put it on for a couple of paragraphs.

Go ahead…

All of this comes back to freedom of expression and attempting to erode free speech through using only the worst parts of it, which will then be used as justification for further limiting expression and the free flow of information. At a point, people will be so fed up with it that they'll welcome limitations on free speech and privacy, and at that point the only solution possible is revolt.

Interesting hypothesis. At least it is visible that there are already a lot of people who blame other for talking about political misbehavior of parties and people in charge. It is very common, when we execute information points in pedestrian zones to tell us, to shut up, to go home, to piss off.

There are also implications (no proof, mind you, but implied abstracts) that the economic collapse is being engineered to go back to an aristocratic model. And I hate sounding like I'm crazy, but the evidence is there. It's just not solid enough to actually make any accusation.

Well, that seems to lead to far. But the fact, that all the efforts of particular social groups, to improve their influence on politics only to personal advantage leads to a re-feudalization of society. The New Barons, Lords, earls, Dukes, Kings and emperors nowadays are CEO, CFO, Genereal Manager, Secretary, Presidents.

This phenomenon was described by one of the most productive brains in German sociology, Jürgen Habermas, in his “theory of communicative action” in the 80s. He described a system of social neo-conservatism combined with a political neo-feudalism. Today nobody remembers that. Now  a very loud and pretty brainless crowd drives a new kind of pink pig through the political village, called neo-liberalism, regardless that the activities described with that buzzword do not have any in common with political liberalism. They would call the tea party neo-liberal….

The regime is solidly behind the Tea Party, because this divides the Republicans into two camps: the sheep and the problems. If they can get rid of the problems, then the sheep remain and they win.

..or it brakes the backbone of the conservative movement, that happened in Italy in the 80s and made the gnome from Milan possible…(Berlusconi)

Control of the news media is vital. But we don't have the resources to compete with the multinational news corporations. Rupert Murdoch should be added to our list of targets for that very reason... he's as much a part of the problem as anyone in the MAFIAA.

That is a reflection I think even germans would share with you….

Now, putting that tinfoil hat away, the real issue here is that the channels of information are directly controlled by people whose best interests are served by siding with the MAFIAA. And because they control the channels of information, Congress's corruption is compounded by ignorance and misinformation. Our attempts at educating them at all are met with well-placed news articles that use the very tactics I've suggested in the other thread about the TF article on the MEP.

OK, I can follow.

I left the PPUS because it's impossible to get anything done here, so long as there's a perception that modern piracy is in any way wrong. We have a massive battle to undertake, and the real issue is that the only way it can work in the USA is if the people here feel the effect and can trace it directly back. If the news media allows that.

Is is possible to get more done outside the PP?

So even if the TTIP would have broad implications for our population, it has to hurt before they'll even pay attention.

This way of caring about politics and the own fate – at least the childrens and grandchilds fate - does not differ here. We have a huge satisfied generation of “best-agers” who refuse to think an prefer to join life. If Merkel talks about maintaining the “good life” as political goal, they follow like sheep follow the shepherd.

I hope that answers your question... it's a very complex situation.

More than complex. I agree. It just does not hurt enough to mobilize the people. The moment, it hurts enough, they follow again leaders instead of usingt their brains.

Best regards

On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 8:11 AM, Thomas Blechschmidt <thomas.blechschmidt at piratenpartei-bayern.de> wrote:

What Do you guys in the US think  about TTIP with Europe? Is there am movement to control this?

I’m not aware of any attempt to seed US-Copyright over here.

Regards

Thomas

Von: pp.international.general-bounces at lists.pirateweb.net [mailto:pp.international.general-bounces at lists.pirateweb.net] Im Auftrag von Ray Jenson
Gesendet: Montag, 9. Februar 2015 15:24
An: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
Betreff: [pp.int.general] USA News

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/02/negotiators-burn-their-last-opportunity-salvage-tpp-caving-copyright-term

Just a point of interest from my end. 

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